Otakon AMV contest- next year
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- Zarxrax
- Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2001 6:37 pm
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You just want less video entries right? How about making a requirement like they have for the AWA masters contest... you have to have had some previous recognition in a contest before. I mean you really wouldn't even have to check and verify that the people really did... it would just cut a bunch of people from submitting in the first place.
Discouraging to newbies? Yea. Elitist? Yea. But I think thats irrelevant. Otakon is now the biggest convention in the country, and when people go to watch amvs at the biggest convention, they want to see GOOD ones. 95% of good amvs will come from creators that are already estabilshed. Its quite unlikely that you'll see some dude make an awesome award winning amv on their first try... they can always send in their videos to smaller conventions.
Of course, just a suggestion. Feel free to flame me.
Discouraging to newbies? Yea. Elitist? Yea. But I think thats irrelevant. Otakon is now the biggest convention in the country, and when people go to watch amvs at the biggest convention, they want to see GOOD ones. 95% of good amvs will come from creators that are already estabilshed. Its quite unlikely that you'll see some dude make an awesome award winning amv on their first try... they can always send in their videos to smaller conventions.
Of course, just a suggestion. Feel free to flame me.
- Vlad G Pohnert
- Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2001 2:29 pm
- Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
I still find that unfair. Some of the real good videos come from people who have never one before... Frankly I don't like the idea of restricting it like that...Zarxrax wrote:You just want less video entries right? How about making a requirement like they have for the AWA masters contest... you have to have had some previous recognition in a contest before. I mean you really wouldn't even have to check and verify that the people really did... it would just cut a bunch of people from submitting in the first place.
Discouraging to newbies? Yea. Elitist? Yea. But I think thats irrelevant. Otakon is now the biggest convention in the country, and when people go to watch amvs at the biggest convention, they want to see GOOD ones. 95% of good amvs will come from creators that are already estabilshed. Its quite unlikely that you'll see some dude make an awesome award winning amv on their first try... they can always send in their videos to smaller conventions.
Of course, just a suggestion. Feel free to flame me.
Vlad
- genestarwind21122
- Samurai Master
- Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:52 pm
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That's true because I was new to amv's and it wouldn't be right for other newbs see there video on the big screen even if it didn't make it. And agree with Vlad about it being very illegal considering making amv's right now is really gray.Vlad G Pohnert wrote:I still find that unfair. Some of the real good videos come from people who have never one before... Frankly I don't like the idea of restricting it like that...Zarxrax wrote:You just want less video entries right? How about making a requirement like they have for the AWA masters contest... you have to have had some previous recognition in a contest before. I mean you really wouldn't even have to check and verify that the people really did... it would just cut a bunch of people from submitting in the first place.
Discouraging to newbies? Yea. Elitist? Yea. But I think thats irrelevant. Otakon is now the biggest convention in the country, and when people go to watch amvs at the biggest convention, they want to see GOOD ones. 95% of good amvs will come from creators that are already estabilshed. Its quite unlikely that you'll see some dude make an awesome award winning amv on their first try... they can always send in their videos to smaller conventions.
Of course, just a suggestion. Feel free to flame me.
Vlad
- Nightowl
- Joined: Tue May 29, 2001 2:54 pm
Hey!genestarwind21122 wrote:And agree with Vlad about it being very illegal considering making amv's right now is really gray.
Ya know, if you kept newb videos out of the contest, that could possibly lead to good things - such as, that Love is Flowers video would've NEVER made it, let alone won! That video sucked so much... Besides, with the amount of contests out there now, and the ease it takes to win them, I'm sure everyone on this board has three or four trophies by now. Maybe even five or six.
Now, let's see who will take what as sarcasm and what will take who as actual opinion... do I have an actual opinion? Who loves ya?
I want to flame you, zarx, unfortunately, you've inspired me to reload my missing AE plug-ins and fix my system... therefore, I simply give you this:
Wow, that contained one too many in-jokes that relate to specific individuals. If you understood this post, you're as crazy as I want to be.
-N
- dwchang
- Sad Boy on Site
- Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2002 12:22 am
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Haha, I'm (sadly?) somewhat in the same boat. Otakon was probably my first "big con win" or whatever and if there was some award requirement, I probably wouldn't have been able to submit (and subject my 80's torture on the masses). Then again, I'm not trying to say "how dare you NOT include my video?" or something like that...Nightowl wrote:Hey!genestarwind21122 wrote:And agree with Vlad about it being very illegal considering making amv's right now is really gray.
Ya know, if you kept newb videos out of the contest, that could possibly lead to good things - such as, that Love is Flowers video would've NEVER made it, let alone won!
In any case, doesn't JACON have something like that "have to buy a prereg badge" or something? They seem to be doing alright entry (and legal) wise. I know this is still somewhat money related, but it's more of a "supporting Otakon" thing and doesn't have to do with the actual contest getting funds.
-Daniel
Newest Video: Through the Years and Far Away aka Sad Girl in Space
Newest Video: Through the Years and Far Away aka Sad Girl in Space
- dji
- Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2001 12:47 am
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matt and pat did just that.. and there just were a handful they didnt' catch before hand.dokool wrote:A good start would be a stricter pre-prescreening process. Each prescreening tape we watched had a couple vids that got disqualified for whatever reason (Subs, dubs, bad language, etc), and it would have saved everyone time if they weren't put on the tapes to begin with...
-DOKool
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- SarahtheBoring
- Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:45 am
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- Cybermat
- Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:18 pm
- Location: Southeast Pennsylvania
My 2 yen on some of the ideas raised...
Charging Entry Fee := Bad
Requiring money from submitters inculates the mindset that submitters will have to "work the system" to "get more for their money", so then they'll demand guarantees, demand refunds, bounce checks, haggle over the price, attempt to barter with livestock or favors instead of paying, plead poverty instead of paying, 'forget' to pay, want to throw lots of money around if they *aren't* poor, or make accusations of fraud & greed & embezzlement if they get disqualified from the contest after paying. Plus, ideologically, people will say that it discriminates against the virtuous poor and caters to the corrupt wealthy.
Plus, the convention is a non-profit organization, and the money flow for non-profits are getting watched at lot more closely by the Eternal Revenue Service these days. It's... doubtful... that fees extracted in association with any activity involving derivative intellectual property can be justified to federal auditors as mission-appropriate for a 501C3. (And BTW getting around it by *not* reporting the money does constitute tax fraud.)
Charging Fee for Prescreenings := Bad
The big problem with prescreenings is getting enough people to show up to make the effort of organizing them worthwhile. It takes dedication and sincere interest in AMVs to watch 12 hours of AMVs and make reasoned judgements about them. Yeah, the prescreeners get to see everything first, but it's still hours and hours of time. Doing anything to discourage potential volunteers from helping out is... counter-productive... to say the very least.
Start Prescreenings Earlier
Two-thirds of the entries never show up before the last two weeks leading up to the deadline. I suppose there might be 2 hours of submissions from early-bird submitters, but probably not much more than that.
Also, if there's an evaluation prescreening before the submission deadline, it has the potential to make the competition 'unfair' because the late submitters will be able to see (at least some of) their 'competition' and alter their own submissions based on that knowledge.
Make Deadline Earlier
Otakon's deadline is already fourteen weeks in advance of the convention (two weeks + one more week for each hour of AMVs received the previous year). Pushing the deadline up will mean the contest would have to be announced only three months after the previous year's convention has ended (or something like that).
Recruit Staff Assistants
Hey, couldn't hurt.
...
My big concern with an increasing quantity of submissions (besides stress on the AMV staffers) is that showing all of the AMV submissions at the con will eventually become impossible.
The time available for AMVs is finite (weekends just ain't gettin' any longer, even in Baltimore in the summertime) so that means that some AMVs will get skipped, and that's probably gonna be the bottom of the field, and that's probably gonna be stuff from newbies, unless they've really hit the ground running, quality-wise.
Plus, timeslots are at a premium at the con, and AMV people will be unhappy if the tape their AMV is on only gets shown one time in a 'bad' timeslot -- especially if that timeslot is on early Friday or late Sunday and the AMV person misses it because they're not at the convention yet/anymore.
Charging Entry Fee := Bad
Requiring money from submitters inculates the mindset that submitters will have to "work the system" to "get more for their money", so then they'll demand guarantees, demand refunds, bounce checks, haggle over the price, attempt to barter with livestock or favors instead of paying, plead poverty instead of paying, 'forget' to pay, want to throw lots of money around if they *aren't* poor, or make accusations of fraud & greed & embezzlement if they get disqualified from the contest after paying. Plus, ideologically, people will say that it discriminates against the virtuous poor and caters to the corrupt wealthy.
Plus, the convention is a non-profit organization, and the money flow for non-profits are getting watched at lot more closely by the Eternal Revenue Service these days. It's... doubtful... that fees extracted in association with any activity involving derivative intellectual property can be justified to federal auditors as mission-appropriate for a 501C3. (And BTW getting around it by *not* reporting the money does constitute tax fraud.)
Charging Fee for Prescreenings := Bad
The big problem with prescreenings is getting enough people to show up to make the effort of organizing them worthwhile. It takes dedication and sincere interest in AMVs to watch 12 hours of AMVs and make reasoned judgements about them. Yeah, the prescreeners get to see everything first, but it's still hours and hours of time. Doing anything to discourage potential volunteers from helping out is... counter-productive... to say the very least.
Start Prescreenings Earlier
Two-thirds of the entries never show up before the last two weeks leading up to the deadline. I suppose there might be 2 hours of submissions from early-bird submitters, but probably not much more than that.
Also, if there's an evaluation prescreening before the submission deadline, it has the potential to make the competition 'unfair' because the late submitters will be able to see (at least some of) their 'competition' and alter their own submissions based on that knowledge.
Make Deadline Earlier
Otakon's deadline is already fourteen weeks in advance of the convention (two weeks + one more week for each hour of AMVs received the previous year). Pushing the deadline up will mean the contest would have to be announced only three months after the previous year's convention has ended (or something like that).
Recruit Staff Assistants
Hey, couldn't hurt.
...
My big concern with an increasing quantity of submissions (besides stress on the AMV staffers) is that showing all of the AMV submissions at the con will eventually become impossible.
The time available for AMVs is finite (weekends just ain't gettin' any longer, even in Baltimore in the summertime) so that means that some AMVs will get skipped, and that's probably gonna be the bottom of the field, and that's probably gonna be stuff from newbies, unless they've really hit the ground running, quality-wise.
Plus, timeslots are at a premium at the con, and AMV people will be unhappy if the tape their AMV is on only gets shown one time in a 'bad' timeslot -- especially if that timeslot is on early Friday or late Sunday and the AMV person misses it because they're not at the convention yet/anymore.
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- OtakuForLife
- Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2002 3:37 pm
- Status: In relationship
- Location: Endsvill (North Providence, RI , USA)
My video last year got shown late sunday and I have feeling so will this
one... it's a little-low on the video quailty size ,due to the series only
existing in fansub format. Anyway, here's the problem with cutting
the newbe videos they don't get to see the crowd reaction... When
my imfamous "Damn it Naru" video premiered to an increadabily quite
aduence , who I believe lost at least 3 brain cells, it made me want to
make a better video. All I'm saying is give newbes a chance
Anyway, hopefully this year I made a video that won't huant me for
the rest of my AMVing dayz.
one... it's a little-low on the video quailty size ,due to the series only
existing in fansub format. Anyway, here's the problem with cutting
the newbe videos they don't get to see the crowd reaction... When
my imfamous "Damn it Naru" video premiered to an increadabily quite
aduence , who I believe lost at least 3 brain cells, it made me want to
make a better video. All I'm saying is give newbes a chance
Anyway, hopefully this year I made a video that won't huant me for
the rest of my AMVing dayz.
- rogueintellectproductions
- Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:58 pm
- Location: Crownsville, MD
I'm a long-time watcher, newbie creator, and I would be really put off by a name-recognition requirement - what better way to make a name for yourself than to hit it at Otakon?
With that being said, I think the best way to facilitate things is to make the parameters of the contest stricter. The submission window is a good example; I also think limiting the means of submission in order to standardize the entries would help. In other words, take FTP submissions only, or AVI/MPG format only, etc. It would be easier to deal with a large number of entries if they are all in the same form. I think it would also encourage creators to be more committed to their videos and Otakon's contest - a sort of self-imposed natural selection. If you truly believe your video is good enough, you'd make the extra effort to adhere to the contest criteria.
It does sound a little elitist, but it sounds like something does have to be done.
RIP out!
CPFuller
rogueintellectproductions
Here's hoping naota's lament makes the cut!
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=38086
With that being said, I think the best way to facilitate things is to make the parameters of the contest stricter. The submission window is a good example; I also think limiting the means of submission in order to standardize the entries would help. In other words, take FTP submissions only, or AVI/MPG format only, etc. It would be easier to deal with a large number of entries if they are all in the same form. I think it would also encourage creators to be more committed to their videos and Otakon's contest - a sort of self-imposed natural selection. If you truly believe your video is good enough, you'd make the extra effort to adhere to the contest criteria.
It does sound a little elitist, but it sounds like something does have to be done.
RIP out!
CPFuller
rogueintellectproductions
Here's hoping naota's lament makes the cut!
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=38086
To paraphrase one Mr. Cool James, please refrain from referring to it as a revival, I've been lurking for ages.