Hellsing: Order 13.

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Fri May 07, 2004 9:23 pm

ninja007 wrote:i just remember something. in the tenth episode of hellsing, they showed alucard (with white hair) starts killing hellsing soldiers. they look like they had modern weapons and it looks like that was when they caught him. since dracula was caught a long time before that, it kind goes with the "son" or "reincarnation" idea i have.

Episode 10 of Hellsing - Master of Monster (or story 2 of the Hellsing manga, part 2 GN 1) shows how Integra came to release Alucard under her control. I'm pretty sure they ever show Alucard being caught originally. Integra's father told her that if she ever needed help she could go into the underground dungeon next to the torture chamber and the black magic room and a bunch of creepy stuff like that. There she finds Alucard with white hair and he accepts her as his master.

Zaphod_Beeblebrox wrote:Well, alucard may not be the dracula but maybe an amalgamation of a few vampire theories, maybe encompassing the Kainite thoeries aswell.

Thus the change in persona from Bram Stoker's Dracula to the Alucard of Helsing may be because he has become dissolusioned with the way there are so many userpers to the vampiric blood, and therefore may be trying to re-create the vampire race to their former glory........maybe

The part about Dracula's... I mean, Alucard's change in persona and general goals in the anime are based on this dissolusion of his noble race seems extremely likely based on what Dracula says to Jonathan Murray in one of the early chapters of the book about Dracula's honorable history of wars and things... well there's no direct correleation but it seems inline with Dracula's ideals, although with a certain change of heart. Anyway, as for the other vampire theories and such, I definetly agree that Alucard uses other things like that, such as the Vlad Tepes stuff that was the base of Dracula but didn't actually make it into the original book. But I do firmly beleive that Alucard is intended to be Dracula.

or it could be that Alucard was created by many generations of research and experiments to be the ultimate weapon of the Helsing family, as it is stated in vol.1 of the manga that he is the "crystallisation" of all the monster fighting technology of the Helsing family.....another possibility

If I remember correctly that is mentioned a couple of times in the anime, that the family did things to create Alucard's perfection. Though I don't know what the application of that would be...

ninja007 · Post by **ninja007** » Sat May 08, 2004 11:46 am

Perhaps why he states his power restriction thing

sorry if i messed the quote thing up, i've never used it before.

anyway, when alucard uses his powers, he always said some stuff that sounded like he read it from a book. i know that the "original" dracula wouldn't do it, but why would anyone do that? why would any original vampire do that? it woulndn't make any sense, unless they brain-washed him or recreated him to think that he has restrictions. i've never read the manga, but now you guys have inspired me to do so, thanks.

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Sat May 08, 2004 1:32 pm

So you're saying the brainwashed Dracula into making him think he has restrictions? It's possible, but what's to say that he doesn't actually have restrictions? As for reading the stuff "out of a book" if you're just talking about the "power restriction to level __ awaiting confirmation..." kind of stuff, he probably has to say that to unrestrict himself. In the last episode Integra says the "incantation" to release him to full power.

I admit it doesn't really seem like his power is being restricted, but I don't think he's just brainwashed about it. In higher (lower) levels he probably can't do things like, say, when he killed the Valentine brother.

Nandez · Post by **Nandez** » Sat May 08, 2004 9:27 pm

Arucard is Dracula yes he doesn't act like the Dracula in the movies but The Japanese are Diffrent and took it in a new spin which is cool.They even Show Him In Alexander Anderson's Flashback when he was Dracula.And yeh the anime was gus tmoving shots form the manga with useless charcaters like Incognito.

HeartbreakerByZep · Post by **HeartbreakerByZep** » Sat May 08, 2004 10:16 pm

The anime wasn't exactly moving shots from the manga. For one thing, they added kickass voice actors and superb, well-fitted music. For another, they where unfaithful in numerous aspects. Furthermore, they did a lot of scenes with a similar idea but in a different way - like when Anderson appears the first time, in the manga he pretty much completely eliminates Alucard and then Alucard's blood starts talking to Seras, and Integra starts firing her gun, but in the anime they didn't use that stuff (although they DID actually animate it... for some reason....)

ninja007 · Post by **ninja007** » Sat May 08, 2004 11:10 pm

incognito was a very stupid character. he was ugly and weird shaped. alucard should have gobbled him up so no one would ever see his ugly face again...

which brings me to another point, why didn't incognito burs into dust like all the other vampires? was because they wanted to show incignito impaled? or was it because that was the only "non-FREAK" vampire that was killed?

and about that power restriction thing, now that i remember doesn't he say "situation A?" if he does, you know for sure that he's reading some book called "Ancient Vampire Worst Case Scenerio Handbook."

I know that Integra released his full power in the last episode, but why did he say stuff like "situation A?"

Nandez · Post by **Nandez** » Sat May 08, 2004 11:12 pm

Well basically like you said ow Anderosn eliminates Arcuard they basically put that in episode 7 when he returns.But the manga is much better the anime was ok gust totally pointless and useless.

Zaphod_Beeblebrox · Post by **Zaphod_Beeblebrox** » Sun May 09, 2004 8:38 am

I wouldn't say the anime was totally pointless, for a start it shows that even a kick-ass manga ca suck if it's animated, and beside, it wasn't a bad series they just changed a lot thats all.

I thought they were both good but in different ways.......and incognito was one of the shittest characters i've ever seen in anything

ninja007 · Post by **ninja007** » Sun May 09, 2004 10:01 am

hey hey hey, there is no need to insult Hellsing the Anime. it was a very good series with a terrible end. they should have fixed it so that incognito didn't look like something you would see if you were "on drugs".

i mean come on. it (at this point i don't know if it's a she or a he) looks like some 5 year-old drew it. but the rest of Hellsing was excellent. it leaves you with things to think about.

if you guys didn't like it, why did you watch it to the very end?

Zaphod_Beeblebrox · Post by **Zaphod_Beeblebrox** » Sun May 09, 2004 4:36 pm

i did like it but incognito was bad and the manga was soooo much better