I happen to be relatively pissed off at life and Kenshin

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Post by El Diablo Rojo » Sun May 16, 2004 3:34 pm

It seems we have some very smart people here. I agree with HeavyMetal that i could have used the word lame instead of gay. It was a very interesting post to read, with the political correctness. I also am glad that you gave your opinion on Kenshin. Which, if anyone had forgot, is the purpose of this thread. However, if you would prefer to talk about "gay" and other offensive words, I suppose this can also be the thread for that. I'm so lonely.
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Post by HeavyMetal » Sun May 16, 2004 11:09 pm

DDramone wrote:the way we hated soviets was different from the way we hated black people
How so?

I always thought both were a matter of fear.

This is why but unless you want to win points with your History teacher skip it.

The planter class had control of the media. They manipulated the poor white southerns onto their side with fear. It was actually more logical for the non-planter class white people to vote for the same party as black people.

Oddly enough at the time that would have been the Republican party. The Democrats actually favored the wealthy at the time. The democrats had a branch called the Dixiecrats as well. They were grand high racists.

Of course a certain governor of Georgia was a card carrying member of the KKK. When the president (JFK I think) found that out after appointing him (for life) to the Supreme Court he about shit himself. Turns out the guy actually fought for civil rights once a judge. Another matter of convenience.

Communism was just another fear. So much so that the land of liberty decided Vietnam could not have the option to vote for a communist party and helped spark one dirty civil war. Aristotle actually considered democracy to be more dangerous, with things like the tyranny of the majority.

Checks and balances helps some I suppose. I personally think communism and bureaucracy are great ideas....on paper. They don't work in actual application. Communism doesn't account for the emotional less logical needs of people. Bureaucracy distributes blame so thin that corruption goes unpunished (Enron). The Soviet Union fell apart for different reasons. Marx’s idea of the Communist Manifesto was for industrial nations. The USSR was agricultural.

Marx’s idea was to have communism heal the wounds of society over a few generations with a 'fair' distribution of resources. Things to heal would be like if a person has gone without something they have a mind set to never have enough of it. After a few generations government would dissolve bit by bit as it was no longer needed. His ultimate goal was to have a society of artists supported by machines. Nice thought, but it never seems to work out. Mostly because people over populate, some work harder than others, people value things differently, people are born with different advantages and disadvantages, and differences in types of work create classes.

Word use.

I guess I am such an American mut that I am hard to offend.

I don't use words like gay, fag, nigger, etc. simply to prevent confusion. Its easy for people to focus on the word over context if they don't know you. So I do agree that using an alternate word is often best. I just try not be offended if someone doesn’t.

I similarly say 'bless you' after people sneeze. Some get offended if you don't. It is kind of funny though. The phrase coming from a belief that evil spirits are released by a sneeze. Then again I can see where allergy suffers would think snot was sent by Satan.

The real problem is that racism is easy. If someone is gay or has a different skin color it is easy to see. Getting to know someone for who they are before disliking them takes time and effort. Any common trend among a group of people is usually produced through sociology or economic trends anyway.

Kenshin to politics, what a tangent topic. Oh well never mind all that.
DDramone wrote:joe (the skinhead) once bashed a kids face into a soda machine for calling her a dyke.
Can't say I blame her. Though I think the best thing to wish upon your enemies is enlightenment.

Skinhead as in a neo-nazi or skinhead as in Shania O' Coner (spelled it wrong, but you know the singer that shaved her head)?

Back to Kenshin

As for Kenshin I thought the first seasons took to long to build suspense. If you were to re-watch them you might find yourself hitting skip a lot.

Then the third didn't slow down on emotional segments. It was cry, memory is painful. Okay now fight five minutes later. I started thinking everyone was bipolar.

As for long posts, that's why I write mine in sections.
El Diablo Rojo wrote:It seems we have some very smart people here. I agree with HeavyMetal that i could have used the word lame instead of gay. It was a very interesting post to read, with the political correctness.
Yeah I'm good for answers to questions no one asked. The length of this post is proof enough.

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Post by El Diablo Rojo » Mon May 17, 2004 1:00 am

Hey HeavyMetal. Are you a political science major or something? You seem to know a lot about those types of topics and you seem to have some very defined opinions on such things. I was just kind of curious, but whatever.

As for Kenshin, I really did like the first and second seasons. The first season was a bit of just random events, but they did have some important things too. The second season, however was the some of the best, if not the best, anime I've ever seen. I do see how it took a long time to build suspense, but that is something I like in anime and pretty much anything else. I like anime that makes you wait a while to find out what will happen. I don't like when a singal battle is drawn out for forty episodes and nothing really happens, like say in Dragonball Z (that is an exageration, for anybody who will get offended by my making fun of DBZ. It doesn't actually take forty episodes; it just seems like it). I've already expained why I don't like the third season of Kenshin so I'll try not to be repetitive.

Oh in case you're wondering, I think DBZ is a pretty cool show. Its no where near my favorite, but it is definately bearable and even mostly enjoyable. I just like other stuff before it. I'm so lonely.
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Post by DDramone » Mon May 17, 2004 10:10 am

Skinhead as in a neo-nazi or skinhead as in Shania O' Coner (spelled it wrong, but you know the singer that shaved her head)?
skinhead as in punker 1.5 :wink: you know, like sham 69, 4skins kinda skinhead. being latino and black, i wouldnt hang with neo nazi's (nazi skins are usually reffered to as boneheads by the rest of the skinhead community).

and i don no, fear of blacks was based on social upheaval, while fear of the soviets was based on the nukes they had. one of the best examples of what white southerners feard blacks would do is in the movie "birth of a nation", but dont bother seeing it. lol. (god, why am i being such an ass by continuing this argument?)

soviets were bad because they were equals with different ideals. blacks were bad because people who are inferior are dangorous when they are put in a place that makes them equal or supirior. so the word nigger, and in turn the word fag, is a hatefully dissmisive and cynical word, while something like commie isnt really the same insult.

sorry for continueing this. i said my piece.

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Re: I happen to be relatively pissed off at life and Kenshin

Post by shishlik » Mon May 17, 2004 12:52 pm

El Diablo Rojo wrote:To begin I would like to say that I hate myself. Now that we have that out of the way, I am going to vent something that has been on my mind for millions of years. Actually its been more like maybe a few months, but whatever. Now usually I wouldn't ask such a nerdy question, but it actually has been bothering me.
Ok, here it goes:

Now I really like Rurouni Kenshin, and up through the point where he fights Shishio (if that's spelled right), It is pretty much the most kick ass show I've ever seen. But then, come the third season, they go and screw everything up and make it gay. By that I mean, they went and changed the whole flow that made the show great.

One of the most brilliant aspects of it, was that, during the first two seasons, it always left you wanting more. This was done by moving slowly through the story line and leaving off at critical points. Now I understand that this is probably a trend in Anime, to make you want more, but the third season of Rurouni Kenshin goes at a pace that is on crack. I mean, it went through so many little sections of Kenshin's life in such a short amount of time. This takes away the suspense factor and replaces it with gay. It was almost as if they had run out of time for their show and were trying to fit in everything really quickly at the end. That is never good because you always have to leave something out, and in this case, it was the ability to be a great show. Now, a few episodes in the third season were pretty cool, but were nothing compared to the first two seasons.

Another one of the awesome aspects of the earlier Kenshin, was that it was, in a general sense, based in the realm of reality. by that I mean that their was no magic, it was just sword fighting. Now dont get me wrong, magic in anime is freakin' awesome, but it was kind of cool to see no magic and crazy unrealistic stuff. Well that all changed in the third season when they abandoned their swordplay in exchange for some gay-ass feng shui or something gay like that, I don't even care how to spell it if that shows how much it pissed me off (Now that spelling may be right, but I doubt it). Why would you abandon something good you had going for something that makes the show incredibly dumb? I don't know, but apparently the makers of Kenshin do.

There are a few other reason that the last season of Kenshin sucks, but they aren't as important as the two I already mentioned. I'm sorry I just went all nerdy on you, but apparently this was weighing on my mind. Well, whatever. If you think that they messed up the ending of Kenshin, or any other good Anime for that matter, feel free to vent here. If you think that they didn't mess up the eending feel free to post here and tell me why, but be warned, I will give you the finger. If you can live with that, then by all means go ahead. I'm so lonely.
i've seen "kenshin" too and i agree
it's better in the beginning then at the end.
not to mention how stupid it was that they made such big deals out of hugs....
there was that episode when kenshin was pushed toward kauro and it looked like he was gonna kiss her so she punshed him saying "not in front of everyone" that so stupid. you like 30 years old but too shy to kiss in front of others.....that's just dumb.
other then that i agree that the series lowers it's style as it goes on on the third season....

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Post by Char the second » Mon May 17, 2004 1:06 pm

hmmmmm yes i saw that but kenshin hs some good fights in that 3rd. I think they might have foucsed on the fights more then the other two. :?
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Re: I happen to be relatively pissed off at life and Kenshin

Post by El Diablo Rojo » Mon May 17, 2004 2:19 pm

shishlik wrote:
not to mention how stupid it was that they made such big deals out of hugs....
there was that episode when kenshin was pushed toward kauro and it looked like he was gonna kiss her so she punshed him saying "not in front of everyone" that so stupid. you like 30 years old but too shy to kiss in front of others.....that's just dumb.
That didn't bother me so much. It was dumb, but that didn't detract to much from Kenshin. I mean, you have to remember, that even though Kenshin is 30-ish, Karou is still just a little kid mostly. They said she had just become old enough to marry or something like that. But, just because her age is more adult-like now, doesn't mean her personality has shifted over night. She's just a little girl who has dreams of romance and love and wants everything to be perfect. So, yes, Kenshin is old enough not to act childish, but Karou isn't.
Char the second wrote:
hmmmmm yes i saw that but kenshin hs some good fights in that 3rd. I think they might have foucsed on the fights more then the other two.
As was mentioned by HeavyMetal earlier, everyone seemed to be bipolar. I think that the makers of the anime didn't know what they wanted. They didn't focus on anything, it was just a bunch of stuff that was unsure of where it was going. I do agree that, maybe, a few of the fights in the third season were all right. Bearable would be a more accurate word, but just barely. They really could have done the fights better though.

I mean, a fight in Kenshins third season went like this:
Lets walk up to this place.
Oh crap! Bad guys.
Hey you shouldn't do this bad guys.
What? You have no choice?
I will now beat you really easily.
...clang of metal on metal...
That really was easy.
That was a pointless build-up to nothing.
It wasn't even anticlimactic.
That was just gay(pardon usage).

That pretty much sums it up. With the exception of the occasional man on a horse and what not, that really is an accurate representation. Well whatever. I'm so lonely.
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Post by inuyashaguru » Mon May 17, 2004 5:47 pm

mean, a fight in Kenshins third season went like this:
Lets walk up to this place.
Oh crap! Bad guys.
Hey you shouldn't do this bad guys.
What? You have no choice?
I will now beat you really easily.
...clang of metal on metal...
That really was easy.
That was a pointless build-up to nothing.
It wasn't even anticlimactic.
That was just gay(pardon usage).
HAHAHAHA :lol:
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Post by Coolman XL » Tue May 18, 2004 12:24 am

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Post by El Diablo Rojo » Tue May 18, 2004 12:33 am

I hope you have something more on topic to say next time. I mean, smiley faces are cool and everything, but so is a discussion about Kenshin, right. You dumb lain-hater. Anyway, you should post about Kenshin, even if you hven't seen it. Or about "gay"
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