Good videos created with WMM/WMM2

[Voices_Of_Ryan]

Someone needs to do a thread about the best Virtual dub only videos 0o.

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[HeavyMetal]

I don’t want to sound like an ass, but between AviSynth, Virtual Dub, WMM2, and an audio program you have all the editing ability you need to make a kick ass video. Throw in the AVS Virtual Dub for the matter of previewing as it glitches up a lot but hey its free and in a beta testing. (I will explain in a minute but first.....)

Why you should never ever envy Premiere.

Or pretty much any expensive video software as a lot of high end software is based off adobe products.

Okay nothing against Adobe. I had a chance to use Photoshop on a computer at the university. Its closest competitors don't even come close.

However as for Premiere.....

Ever seen a video done with Premiere. I find most people that have it use these effects; blur, zoom blur, fade, additive fading, brightness/contrast, zoom transition, invert, strobes, and few other simple effects.

Have you ever heard any of them say Premiere rocks. Hell no! It sucks huge ass. It’s a glitchy bitchy crashy limited program.

How do I know? I export my vids at a friends house so I can use Premiere to format into RM.

That is its only advantage. The ability to compress things to a small format like RM.

The frickin preview window is even an odd ball size. It doesn't render in realtime you have to hit preview and wait a lifetime to see how something turned out. It’s a pain to remove effects too.

Its bloody extortion too because it stinks so bad at effect controls and previewing people that have it practically have to buy After Effects to get any use of it.

Its hell on ram too. I've stuck clips for a video into Premiere at my buds and come back later opened it and found only part of the project loads right. Granted it was to a long song and a lot of little clips with frame pictures on and it did load right eventually after I combined clips together.

To hell if I would even pay 100 let alone 600 for such a POS. My friend wouldn't have either if he had know before hand.

Okay this part I do mean to be a shit. But don’t worry I am going somewhere with this.

When I was newer to this site (not to making AMVs or AMVs in general or even film processes as I came here many years ago but never joined as my computer sucked, I encounter a ton of broke links, and found a bunch of stuck up members at first. anyway) When I was a new member I posted my first post to any forum and caught a bunch of flack for it.

I had mis-posted a few things as I was under a serious lack of sleep and fun. Later it got weirder as I was on post dental surgery medication. I forget what the Doc prescriped, but damn I quit it early. I don't know how addicts do it. I find falling asleep and not remembering ever dozing off for a few hours a scary need to check that I still have my kidneys.

I found that most of these tech junkies videos were rather dull un-inspired and often way to literal in the use of lyrics, even if they were high quality AV. My own aren't as good but I am only on number four. Five is going to be okay, but six is turning out frickin awesome.

Hell most weren't even that tech. They just read the org guide and popped into it to be asses. Not all of them but enough.

Now you know one of the reasons I was shocked that these blowhards had not thought of this.

The only thing I thank those elitist for is for reminding me of Doom9 as I forgot about it. Lost my browser favorites with the death of my old computer.

Org guide dependent dipshits eerrrr.

Anyway Here We Go To The Good Part

I read the Doom Guides and found that the org guide was a watered down anime orientated version with a little codec history tossed in. It had some holes and a few anime misconceptions as well.

(I'm still researching the misconceptions. I know they are wrong, but I want to know what is completely correct before saying anything. It is mainly a statement made about anime.)

After the Doom Guides I read the AviSynth manual and combined both with what I already knew.

Okay first I recommend that you install AviSynth yourself. Why I just do. I don't like progs screwing my files. (Reflects on the day of Win95 and quicktime.)

If you are not using WMM2 get it. Its free and lot better than WMM Version 1.

After you have your audio like you want this is what you do. Configure WMM for your video. Put the audio in the timeline.

Now use WMM to listen to the music by tapping the arrow key to hear beats and draggin the bar to hear lyrics.

Use WMM to figure out where the beats and stuff are and get the time/frame numbers.

This is something difficult to do with VDub that’s is why you should use WMM.

Then edit the video entirely in AviSynth. Yeah it can be done.

It may help to use several scripts but it may be easier to keep track with the use of several.

You use the frame/time numbers from WMM2 to know where to time and trim things to in AviSynth.

But wait don't you need an actual editor to change the speed of clips?

Nope.

Use AviSynth. The AssumeFPS, ChangeFPS, and ConvertFPS.

I can't really recommend which one as I am still playing and testing them under different circumstances.

Be sure to Audio separate as FPS effects effect audio, which is not wanted.

AssumeFPS is the simplest so I suggest sticking with it for now.

Don't worry about adding or dropping frames either. That’s what editing software does when you adjust clip speed anyway.

Since you can trim a copy of your audio with AviSynth to use in a preview you don't have to do linear editing. You are free to jump around to different parts of the song.

Use VDubAVS to preview things by opening the AVS files and the wav audio file.

This should allow you to make high grade videos.

AviSynth has filters for most anything that any editing software has. Hell I have never seen software with a reverse function like Avisynth. It would be such a simple algorithm too.

If AviSynth doesn't have something and VDub does, don't convert to RGB to use VDub.

As far as I know VDub can only edit in RGB like most editing software. But by the method described above you never have to leave YUY2.

(You can stay in YUY2 because encoding with VDub just passes the vid through without messing with it. Filtering with VDub causes a conversion to RGB. I would use AviSynth for any color code conversions.)

Just use Trim to get the few frames you want to apply a VDub effect to and convert them to RGB, apply the effect, export lossless, and then AviSynth it back to YUY2.

I recommend the use of the regular Virtual Dub for the application of its filters. I don't trust VDub AVS not to interfere with things since it is glitchy. Not that its export or filters are glitchy, but why take the chance.

You can pretty well stay almost completely in YUY2. This beats the hell out converting the whole thing constantly. Every conversion is kinda like making a copy of a copy of a copy.

If you stick in alternating Avisynth scripts to convert to RGB and back to YUY2 then copy them over and over you can see clearly what it does. Granted you have to copy/paste a lot to see a big difference.

Well anyway hope that helps. I might right a guide and stick it on some cheesy site sometime once I have perfected the process and finished figuring out how to make my own functions with precision.

My second reason (first is in the earlier ranting) for figuring this out is to find a reliable way to make high grade vids and avoid problematic editing software. I have had some trouble with WMM, but this process only uses it for timing with the audio. No file from WMM ever gets used. Hell the video never even gets imported.

I was going to wait until I had perfected the above method and written something on before saying anything, but this a good opportunity to say something about it. And hey one of you may figure out a cool way based on this stuff.

To all you elitist bastards n|m m|n. hahahahahahahaha

[Maverick-Rubik]

Have you ever heard any of them say Premiere rocks. Hell no! It sucks huge ass. It’s a glitchy bitchy crashy limited program.

Hmm... Funny. My Premiere almost never crashes. Actually, my WMM crashes and lags whenever I use it...

Oh, and for the record, Premiere rocks.

[eadsja]

I have managed to find a lot of neet tricks and cheats with WMM2 to help soften and allow a video to flow smoothly. The ONLY thing I envy about the higher end software is the ability to do true layering (where I can splice and play with clips all over the screen) which I would love to be able to do in order to really mesh and move story lines along with less space. Other than that, it's got pretty much everything anyone needs to make solid strong videos. It's not the software, but the edditor behind it.

Between meshing fades and Danny's tool kit you can pretty much compete with the big boys.

Do more with less...


***Shameless Self Pimping***

A lodoss Video (best to date)

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=44970

Macross - Shooting Star (actual story line/theme here compared to the random high action sequences that plauge most of this genre)

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=42077

This one though is a good example of a simple effect taken too far as I used the fade to white effect to create beat flashes.

[Zarxrax]

Thanks for that intelligent post (in which nearly every statement that you made regarding Adobe Premiere was flat-out wrong). I'm sure most of the members here will be quite happy to spend 5 minutes in avisynth making simple edits that would take them 2 seconds in premiere.

[devilmaykickass]

I don’t want to sound like an ass, but between AviSynth, Virtual Dub, WMM2, and an audio program you have all the editing ability you need to make a kick ass video. Throw in the AVS Virtual Dub for the matter of previewing as it glitches up a lot but hey its free and in a beta testing. (I will explain in a minute but first.....)

Why you should never ever envy Premiere.

Or pretty much any expensive video software as a lot of high end software is based off adobe products.

Okay nothing against Adobe. I had a chance to use Photoshop on a computer at the university. Its closest competitors don't even come close.

However as for Premiere.....

Ever seen a video done with Premiere. I find most people that have it use these effects; blur, zoom blur, fade, additive fading, brightness/contrast, zoom transition, invert, strobes, and few other simple effects.

Have you ever heard any of them say Premiere rocks. Hell no! It sucks huge ass. It’s a glitchy bitchy crashy limited program.

How do I know? I export my vids at a friends house so I can use Premiere to format into RM.

That is its only advantage. The ability to compress things to a small format like RM.

The frickin preview window is even an odd ball size. It doesn't render in realtime you have to hit preview and wait a lifetime to see how something turned out. It’s a pain to remove effects too.

Its bloody extortion too because it stinks so bad at effect controls and previewing people that have it practically have to buy After Effects to get any use of it.

Its hell on ram too. I've stuck clips for a video into Premiere at my buds and come back later opened it and found only part of the project loads right. Granted it was to a long song and a lot of little clips with frame pictures on and it did load right eventually after I combined clips together.

To hell if I would even pay 100 let alone 600 for such a POS. My friend wouldn't have either if he had know before hand.

You know, I'm an extremely openminded person, and I usually never say things like this, but in this case I'm forced to: you're wrong.

Premiere does indeed rock and never crashes, so I'm not sure...your PC's overall preformace can affect Premiere's preformance, so that could have something to do with it. But I know for a fact that...well...damn near everything in that post is false about Premiere.

If you have your own (far slower less efficent) method that you prefer, then thats fine...keep going with it, but don't make up a bunch of lies about what is quite possibly the best damn editing software on the planet. Also I'm not quite understanding what your beef with this site's guides are. O_o

[AbsoluteDestiny]

Indeed. The sites guides (particularly the beta guides) are in fact far more detailed than the equivalent information at Doom9. Any inaccuracies I'll fix but I'd be surprised if there were many at this point.

Doom9 may seem more comprehensive but that's mainly because it has completely different goals. The amv guide doesnt need to tell you how to edit the ifo on a dvd, for example.

[Scintilla]

Ever seen a video done with Premiere. I find most people that have it use these effects; blur, zoom blur, fade, additive fading, brightness/contrast, zoom transition, invert, strobes, and few other simple effects.

Are you saying that's a bad thing?

Have you ever heard any of them say Premiere rocks. Hell no! It sucks huge ass. It?s a glitchy bitchy crashy limited program.

Fine, I'll say it: Premiere [Pro] rocks.

No, seriously.

The frickin preview window is even an odd ball size.

WTH? You can change the size to anything you want.

Its bloody extortion too because it stinks so bad at effect controls and previewing people that have it practically have to buy After Effects to get any use of it.

I've never touched After Effects in my life, and I'm getting perfectly fine functionality out of Premiere. When you say it stinks at effect controls, are you referring to 6.5 or lower? Because Premiere Pro's effect controls are about as good as I could ask for. Much better than 5.1's.

I found that most of these tech junkies videos were rather dull un-inspired and often way to literal in the use of lyrics, even if they were high quality AV.

Have you seen the videos of people like AbsoluteDestiny, Trythil, etc. (can't think of any more "tech junkies" at the moment)?

Hell most weren't even that tech. They just read the org guide and popped into it to be asses. Not all of them but enough.

Org guide dependent dipshits eerrrr.

How do you think one becomes "tech" in the first place? It requires acquiring knowledge and experience, and I'd say EADFAG is a pretty good place to start as far as the knowledge part.
If you really read the guides thoroughly and understand all the concepts explained therein, it makes you more <b>in</b>dependent, if anything.

But wait don't you need an actual editor to change the speed of clips?

Nope.

Use AviSynth. The AssumeFPS, ChangeFPS, and ConvertFPS.

I can't really recommend which one as I am still playing and testing them under different circumstances.

Be sure to Audio separate as FPS effects effect audio, which is not wanted.

AssumeFPS is the simplest so I suggest sticking with it for now.

Don't worry about adding or dropping frames either. That?s what editing software does when you adjust clip speed anyway.

Yeah, um, it's also what WMM2 does when you give it a source clip that's not at 29.97fps (or 25 if you're in PAL land). So if this is the method you're following, AssumeFPS() should work for simple speed changes. If for some reason you want to use frame blending, you'd have to use ConvertFPS().

As far as I know VDub can only edit in RGB like most editing software. But by the method described above you never have to leave YUY2.

Or YV12, if you're using AVISynth 2.5...

(You can stay in YUY2 because encoding with VDub just passes the vid through without messing with it. Filtering with VDub causes a conversion to RGB. I would use AviSynth for any color code conversions.)

Encoding with VDub only passes the video through without converting the colorspace IF you select Fast Recompress.

I recommend the use of the regular Virtual Dub for the application of its filters. I don't trust VDub AVS not to interfere with things since it is glitchy. Not that its export or filters are glitchy, but why take the chance.

Um, have you tried <a href="http://virtualdubmod.sourceforge.net">VirtualDubMod</a> lately (like, in the past two years)? It's got all the functionality of VDub, VDubAVS, etc., and has never given me any problems.

I really should have pointed that out earlier.

To all you elitist bastards n|m m|n. hahahahahahahaha

Ummmmm... Riiiiight.

Remind me again just where you're seeing elitist bastards around here?

[Maverick-Rubik]

To all you elitist bastards n|m m|n. hahahahahahahaha

Ummmmm... Riiiiight.

Remind me again just where you're seeing elitist bastards around here?

Apparently anyone who uses Premiere is an elitist bastard since they have a program that isn't free. Odd, isn't it?

Fine, I'll say it: Premiere [Pro] rocks.

Premiere Pro Power!
8)

[Cyanna]

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=36218

Saw it right before I left for Otakon. I'm still scratching my head wondering how she did some of that. XD