Music In Animes
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BlindNoir
- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:30 pm
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Music In Animes
No offense but I think people should steer away from the whole Mainstream MTV music because seriously those songs get old fast and abused example: Linkin Park Kids search into underground metal if u like hevy music go for Dimension Zero, Gardenian, Dark Tranquility,Behemoth, Vader, Enforsaken, Darkseed, Hyprocrisy, Kataklysm. If you tell me that the bands like slipknow and linkin park are Heavy or hardcore shoot urself in the head so expand ur mind to more music not what the MTV advertises. ok thats my 2 cents
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rose4emily
- Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:36 am
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Hell yeah!
Good metal takes blues, folk, and classical music, throws one or more of them into a blender, and instills a new energy. Great metal appeals to the ego and id alike, intellect and adrenaline intertwined.
Too much of modern "rock" and "metal" music has degenerated to pure, undirected, angry noise, as one of my friends put it, "an alternative to music". Maybe this, too, has a place, but it's been done and doesn't leave much room for variation.
The normalization of fringe genres probably doesn't help. Folk is watered down and glittered up to become "country". Rap's biggest sellers seem to write about nothing other than a hollow, hedonistic ideal. Classical music (which actually was, in one form or another, the mainstream for about half a millenia) is now sold in "greatest hits" collections, abridged and arranged to make it more "accessible" to today's simple-minded listeners. The only major genre that doesn't seem to be falling apart is pure "pop" music. It does exactly what it is meant to do and has been doing for years - appeal to masses of people looking for something light and fluffy as an escape - and pretends to be nothing more than that. Problem is, too much real art is being obscured in clouds of half-hearted efforts at "depth" and "meaning". [/i]
Good metal takes blues, folk, and classical music, throws one or more of them into a blender, and instills a new energy. Great metal appeals to the ego and id alike, intellect and adrenaline intertwined.
Too much of modern "rock" and "metal" music has degenerated to pure, undirected, angry noise, as one of my friends put it, "an alternative to music". Maybe this, too, has a place, but it's been done and doesn't leave much room for variation.
The normalization of fringe genres probably doesn't help. Folk is watered down and glittered up to become "country". Rap's biggest sellers seem to write about nothing other than a hollow, hedonistic ideal. Classical music (which actually was, in one form or another, the mainstream for about half a millenia) is now sold in "greatest hits" collections, abridged and arranged to make it more "accessible" to today's simple-minded listeners. The only major genre that doesn't seem to be falling apart is pure "pop" music. It does exactly what it is meant to do and has been doing for years - appeal to masses of people looking for something light and fluffy as an escape - and pretends to be nothing more than that. Problem is, too much real art is being obscured in clouds of half-hearted efforts at "depth" and "meaning". [/i]
may seeds of dreams fall from my hands -
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
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BlindNoir
- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:30 pm
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Castor Troy
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rose4emily
- Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:36 am
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No, a lot of people care very deeply about what they are told to think. Most of them just deny it.
Consider the evolution of "heavy" music. At one point it was mostly about the music, and still is for some people - mainly musicians. For many now, though, it is a sort of pissing contest over who listens to the most abrasive and angry albums out there. Consider the people who loved KoRn or Limp Bizkit a few years back. I, admittedly, was one of them. How many of them have moved on to MuDvAyNe or Slipknot, mocking the albums they ones loved as "commercial rock" or "pussy shit" or whatever other vague cliche they can spout off. Something more abrasive, more shocking, has come along - and there are a lot of suburbanites very concerned about keepin up their "bad-ass" image. Certainly, their tastes have not simply matured, moved on to deeper or more artistically impressive music - indeed, this trend towards ever-increasing "heavyness" has become a regression. At least you could make out all of the instruments on a Limp Bizkit album, understand the lyrics (dumb as most of them were), and John Otto (while certainly no John Bonham or Buddy Rich) was capable of more than loudly thrashing random portions of his kit. Now you have a mix so noisy that there are people on stage that seem to show up nowhere in the soundscape - like the bassist, keyboards, the "sampler" that seems so popular now (anyone remember how Roger Waters could sing, play bass, and hit a few buttons with his feet to trigger all of those famous background speaches and noises in Pink Floyd's performances). Add clown makeup and you have a giant self-parody that, unlike predecessors like Alice Cooper, fails to take itself lightly enough to be funny.
Why, oh why, did Brian Warner feel the need to turn shock rock into something a large number of people take seriously? At least Manson, again, had some talent. It was just wasted on spouting empty derivatives of Nietzchian philosophy with a bit of the Jerry Springer show thrown in the mix. I suppose this is what happens when you produce a work strongly resembling a psuedo-gothic rendition of Handel's "Messiah" and call it "Antichrist Superstar".
Shock rock, a catagory into which most of Nu-Metal falls, is a tounge-in-cheek joke that has fallen flat and failed in its purpose. Masses of children in their early teens buy into it because they see it on MTV, and hear their friends listening to it, and get the impression that "this is what you listen to if you're not part of the moronic mainstream" - never realizing just how similar to "the moronic mainstream" supposed "alternative" culture has become. There are monthly fashion trends, flavor-of-the-week bands, trendy films and television shows, commercial magazenes, and entire stores at the mall (which should be a big tip-off right there) devoted to this so-called fringe culture. Millions of kids now think that one becomes a "goth" by wearing a lot of black clothes and white makeup. Nevermind the fact that the Goths were originally a now-extinct Germanic tribe with what, from what we have left of it, appears to have been a rich and complex language and culture that was wiped out by an expanding Roman Empire and its post-collapse successors. Or that, in the Victorian Era, Gothic art was a matter of exploring the relationship between darkness and beauty, not a rejection of the latter in favor of the former. The Victorian Gothic hero and antihero were tragic, yet sympathetic characters seeking normal human happiness and existance. The occult came into play in this literature as a device, not an end, and even the earliest forms of the "horror" genre were typically mixed with elements of comedy, psychological drama, romance, or science fiction. Early examples of modern "gothic" music such as Bauhaus contained their fair share of laments, but also some humor and a few overtly "pop-ish" tunes. It was also notably devoid of the kind of extensive blasphemy and violence typical in today's "dark" music. Somewhere along the line the idea of beauty was lost and gothic cuture became nothing but a bunch of reactionaries in strange costume. A similar story can be said of the "hippies", who once were a diverse group of people with high hopes for social and political progress. Now "hippy" has almost become a euphamism for someone who smokes pot in their basement every other afternoon. The mass market and mainstream cuture has stolen the most visible elements of America's rich portfolio of subcultures and integrated them into a multitude of new, watered-down versions.
This has happened with the "metalhead" culture, as the music at the very core of that culture has been displaced by pop-factory garbase run through distortion, and pushed back out to the obscure fringe of American culture and to strongholds in other nations like Sweeden.
And I am left to wonder why youth keep migrating into the empty culture of noise music and store-bought symbols of rebellion. I fail to see the innate appeal of these things, yet the masses still line up - and I become ever-more convinced that the masses are, by their very presence, self perpetuating. These people care very much about what they are told to think, about fitting into the molds provided for them. Their peers take notice when they don't, and quickly snap them into line.
Or, to borrow the words of two guys from a popular American animated comedy:
"All you've got to do to be a non-conformist is dress like us and listen to the same music we do".
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People expect conformity into groups. They are confused when they see exceptions to it. I once shared a lunch table with four of my good friends. Dan and Andy, the last two real hippies I expect to see on this earth, Josh, the long-haired metalhead guitarist in an everchanging rotation of Ozzfest t-shirt regalia, Abby, a shy artist who from all appearences looked to be a blonde goth, and me, in my shirt-and-tie officeworker's uniform. At least once a week someone would ask us what the hell we were all doing together. One person (a soccar mom) even took a picture. Appearently, it looked like we had the whole Breakfast Club at our lunch table - and a lot of folks who didn't know us were at enough of a loss as to how we'd all be there together that they had to come up to us and ask us about it. Conformity to expectations is definately the social norm, even among the so-called "non-conformists".
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I remember having a team assignment to present freedom and determinism as they related to the writing of Ralph Walso Emmerson. Two other groups were assigned to Emmerson and individualism vs. conformity. The two groups assigned to the topic of individualism both spoke in unison in favor of non-conformity, agreeing to all of Emerson's words and all of each other's (sometime contradictory) opinions. My group essentially staged an unplanned debate on the nature of freedom after we failed to come up with a satisfactory pre-planned speech. It was a great debate, lots of ideas, lots of rebuttals, and some real exploration of the topic.
Afterwards, a few members from one of the "individualism" groups came up to us to complement our presenation, and I asked them:
"Do you really agree with all of the stuff you said up there?"
Most, when asked, said no. So I asked them why they'd ignore their own opinions when making a presentation on individualism, why the line "I agree, you shouldn't conform to society's ideas of who you should be" was so popular. The universal answer fell somewhere along the lines of:
"I just figured it'd be safer to stick with what Mr. Vancelette's been telling us about all this Emerson stuff."
Appearently, Mr. Vancelette didn't agree. This was, after all, supposed to be a "discussion" a presentation of our interperetations, not a re-hash of his. Yet pressure based on pre-existing expectations of conformity lead even a group of intellectuals presenting their thoughts on, of all things, individualism and conformity, to ignore those thoughts and fall into an established norm.
Consider the evolution of "heavy" music. At one point it was mostly about the music, and still is for some people - mainly musicians. For many now, though, it is a sort of pissing contest over who listens to the most abrasive and angry albums out there. Consider the people who loved KoRn or Limp Bizkit a few years back. I, admittedly, was one of them. How many of them have moved on to MuDvAyNe or Slipknot, mocking the albums they ones loved as "commercial rock" or "pussy shit" or whatever other vague cliche they can spout off. Something more abrasive, more shocking, has come along - and there are a lot of suburbanites very concerned about keepin up their "bad-ass" image. Certainly, their tastes have not simply matured, moved on to deeper or more artistically impressive music - indeed, this trend towards ever-increasing "heavyness" has become a regression. At least you could make out all of the instruments on a Limp Bizkit album, understand the lyrics (dumb as most of them were), and John Otto (while certainly no John Bonham or Buddy Rich) was capable of more than loudly thrashing random portions of his kit. Now you have a mix so noisy that there are people on stage that seem to show up nowhere in the soundscape - like the bassist, keyboards, the "sampler" that seems so popular now (anyone remember how Roger Waters could sing, play bass, and hit a few buttons with his feet to trigger all of those famous background speaches and noises in Pink Floyd's performances). Add clown makeup and you have a giant self-parody that, unlike predecessors like Alice Cooper, fails to take itself lightly enough to be funny.
Why, oh why, did Brian Warner feel the need to turn shock rock into something a large number of people take seriously? At least Manson, again, had some talent. It was just wasted on spouting empty derivatives of Nietzchian philosophy with a bit of the Jerry Springer show thrown in the mix. I suppose this is what happens when you produce a work strongly resembling a psuedo-gothic rendition of Handel's "Messiah" and call it "Antichrist Superstar".
Shock rock, a catagory into which most of Nu-Metal falls, is a tounge-in-cheek joke that has fallen flat and failed in its purpose. Masses of children in their early teens buy into it because they see it on MTV, and hear their friends listening to it, and get the impression that "this is what you listen to if you're not part of the moronic mainstream" - never realizing just how similar to "the moronic mainstream" supposed "alternative" culture has become. There are monthly fashion trends, flavor-of-the-week bands, trendy films and television shows, commercial magazenes, and entire stores at the mall (which should be a big tip-off right there) devoted to this so-called fringe culture. Millions of kids now think that one becomes a "goth" by wearing a lot of black clothes and white makeup. Nevermind the fact that the Goths were originally a now-extinct Germanic tribe with what, from what we have left of it, appears to have been a rich and complex language and culture that was wiped out by an expanding Roman Empire and its post-collapse successors. Or that, in the Victorian Era, Gothic art was a matter of exploring the relationship between darkness and beauty, not a rejection of the latter in favor of the former. The Victorian Gothic hero and antihero were tragic, yet sympathetic characters seeking normal human happiness and existance. The occult came into play in this literature as a device, not an end, and even the earliest forms of the "horror" genre were typically mixed with elements of comedy, psychological drama, romance, or science fiction. Early examples of modern "gothic" music such as Bauhaus contained their fair share of laments, but also some humor and a few overtly "pop-ish" tunes. It was also notably devoid of the kind of extensive blasphemy and violence typical in today's "dark" music. Somewhere along the line the idea of beauty was lost and gothic cuture became nothing but a bunch of reactionaries in strange costume. A similar story can be said of the "hippies", who once were a diverse group of people with high hopes for social and political progress. Now "hippy" has almost become a euphamism for someone who smokes pot in their basement every other afternoon. The mass market and mainstream cuture has stolen the most visible elements of America's rich portfolio of subcultures and integrated them into a multitude of new, watered-down versions.
This has happened with the "metalhead" culture, as the music at the very core of that culture has been displaced by pop-factory garbase run through distortion, and pushed back out to the obscure fringe of American culture and to strongholds in other nations like Sweeden.
And I am left to wonder why youth keep migrating into the empty culture of noise music and store-bought symbols of rebellion. I fail to see the innate appeal of these things, yet the masses still line up - and I become ever-more convinced that the masses are, by their very presence, self perpetuating. These people care very much about what they are told to think, about fitting into the molds provided for them. Their peers take notice when they don't, and quickly snap them into line.
Or, to borrow the words of two guys from a popular American animated comedy:
"All you've got to do to be a non-conformist is dress like us and listen to the same music we do".
~~~
People expect conformity into groups. They are confused when they see exceptions to it. I once shared a lunch table with four of my good friends. Dan and Andy, the last two real hippies I expect to see on this earth, Josh, the long-haired metalhead guitarist in an everchanging rotation of Ozzfest t-shirt regalia, Abby, a shy artist who from all appearences looked to be a blonde goth, and me, in my shirt-and-tie officeworker's uniform. At least once a week someone would ask us what the hell we were all doing together. One person (a soccar mom) even took a picture. Appearently, it looked like we had the whole Breakfast Club at our lunch table - and a lot of folks who didn't know us were at enough of a loss as to how we'd all be there together that they had to come up to us and ask us about it. Conformity to expectations is definately the social norm, even among the so-called "non-conformists".
~~~
I remember having a team assignment to present freedom and determinism as they related to the writing of Ralph Walso Emmerson. Two other groups were assigned to Emmerson and individualism vs. conformity. The two groups assigned to the topic of individualism both spoke in unison in favor of non-conformity, agreeing to all of Emerson's words and all of each other's (sometime contradictory) opinions. My group essentially staged an unplanned debate on the nature of freedom after we failed to come up with a satisfactory pre-planned speech. It was a great debate, lots of ideas, lots of rebuttals, and some real exploration of the topic.
Afterwards, a few members from one of the "individualism" groups came up to us to complement our presenation, and I asked them:
"Do you really agree with all of the stuff you said up there?"
Most, when asked, said no. So I asked them why they'd ignore their own opinions when making a presentation on individualism, why the line "I agree, you shouldn't conform to society's ideas of who you should be" was so popular. The universal answer fell somewhere along the lines of:
"I just figured it'd be safer to stick with what Mr. Vancelette's been telling us about all this Emerson stuff."
Appearently, Mr. Vancelette didn't agree. This was, after all, supposed to be a "discussion" a presentation of our interperetations, not a re-hash of his. Yet pressure based on pre-existing expectations of conformity lead even a group of intellectuals presenting their thoughts on, of all things, individualism and conformity, to ignore those thoughts and fall into an established norm.
may seeds of dreams fall from my hands -
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
and by yours be pressed into the ground.
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Castor Troy
- Ryan Molina, A.C.E
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BlindNoir
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ooshna
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Lol I remember when I liked korn and limp bizket. I still like the same songs I did back them (the older korn and first limp albums) But the new stuff got rappish and soft.
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Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]
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I disagree on the linkin park side. Most of their music actually has meaningfull lyrics if you realy listen to them. In fact I think I like them because its like what rap used to be in a rock style. Now weather or not I think they should still be used in AMVs is another story i'm not going to get into, I'm just defending the band itself.
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mikestrife
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