Flashy AMV's are overrated...

[Corran]

Sorry that was rather vague.

I was refering to this, not effects videos in general:

the story was good, and i thought if koop had just left it without the effects it would have been more enjoyable to me, and thats what really matters isn't it?

[Zaphod_Beeblebrox]

i never said they didn't i just think people sometimes abuse effects to get some good timing opportunities when they don't need it because the story is there and perfectly good.

[Zaphod_Beeblebrox]

oh...well then fair enough, i just prefer vids to be not so distracting with the effects...

[requiett]

As an editor of the intensely flashy type (sometimes), I prefer the intense flashing, at least as an add-on if the editing isn't up to par. By the way, Sam Rockwell is playing Zaphod in the new H2G2 movie that comes out this summer.

[ANTDrakko]

but in a more on-topic sort of way:

generally i think effects based videos are overrated, not that long ago i watched Euphoria for the first time, i thought all the effects and stuff was just distracting...

the story was good, and i thought if koop had just left it without the effects it would have been more enjoyable to me, and thats what really matters isn't it?

I mean, technical proficiency is all well and good, but if the content of the vid is crap and you don't enjoy it whats the point?

Ok, I'm sorry to pick and choose examples, and I am not trying to flame or anything, but lets compare Olin and Euphoria:

(Again, let me remind everyone, the below is STRICTLY OPINION)

Euphoria:
The story line, plot and concept of the video stays clear throughout the entire video, start to finish. The effects used emphasize whatever the song writer says each time. Good use of effects without hindering any storyline.

Olin:
I don't see a plot. At all. I'm sorry, it could be a really subtle one, and I think someone told me that it was Chaos, but I didn't really catch that as being the concept of the video. The effects never seemed to emphasize anything; it seemed as if they were there to impress the audience (which it did, so, kudos). To me, IMHO, as an effects video, it gets an 11 on a 1-10 scale, but as a traditional Drama or Serious or whatever it is listed under, I wouldn't score it very high because whatever plot that IS there is reaalllly hindered by all the effects.

Now I'm not saying Koop > DrngdKreationz ; not by any means. I believe that Olin is very impressive and quite a good skill in use of effects, but I, and it could very well just be me, just don't see a definate plot or storyline.

Its kind of funny, though, because the quoted poster above said Euphoria's effect were distracting, but said nothing about Olin...

Anywho, just to clear things up:

DrngdKreationz
Koop
Cheese

Got that? Good ^_^

~Seen

[DrngdKreationz]

Although in my reply to Bakadeshi's opinion (ill make it public after this post) there is a behind the scenes look to olin and an explanation about the visuals and why they were designed to be the way they were. but, to answer your question the main purpose of Olin (Note I say Purpose, not Plot, or story) was to create a visualization of what Ayato experiences and the type of shit he has to deal with..as the description states It's a "mind trip". The song Judith interpretation of the lyrics deal with the diferent aspects of his ego. it switches from him thinking to himself. and the "super Ego" condecending to him. although there are no specific spoilers in the anime im putting this in spoiler tags because if you havent seen Rahxephon yet. It can mess up the story a bit.

The constant referrence to Ixchli in ayatos head is not only because she's a cool charachter.. but the role she plays through the series in ayatos charachter development and what I see in him as a case of schizophrenia (yes, I know that Ixchli is an enigma and is seen by other people, but is pretty much just Ayato's "imaginary friend" a creation that spawns from him because he is the olin and is there to guide him. just as she does in parts of the video, and calls out to his "train of thought" and in a sense she IS ayato.

to answer the "train of thought " reference is explained in the discussion on bakadeshi's opinion reply

[ANTDrakko]

Sorry for the double post, but I think I should point this out:

Want to be able to do a good 90% of the effects in "Olin"?

Easy!

http://www.creativecow.net/show.php?for ... index.html

Just use that tutorial, and you'll be making tons of video walls in no time! Use a hectagon, circle, square, anything you want! The skys the limit!

[ANTDrakko]

Although in my reply to Bakadeshi's opinion (ill make it public after this post) there is a behind the scenes look to olin and an explanation about the visuals and why they were designed to be the way they were. but, to answer your question the main purpose of Olin (Note I say Purpose, not Plot, or story) was to create a visualization of what Ayato experiences and the type of shit he has to deal with..as the description states It's a "mind trip". The song Judith interpretation of the lyrics deal with the diferent aspects of his ego. it switches from him thinking to himself. and the "super Ego" condecending to him. although there are no specific spoilers in the anime im putting this in spoiler tags because if you havent seen Rahxephon yet. It can mess up the story a bit.

Oh, I know dood, I'm not saying that there is no plot, and thank you for clearing that up. But 2 things though:

1) A Visualization is a very creative idea, I like it, but I, again IMHO, don't see that as a plot.

2) Do you think everyone who has seen your video has got that impression? I mean, its not rocket science to figure it out, but its not exactly obvious either.

Again, I want to stress that I'm not trying to get on your back or anything, I'm just trying to understand the underlaying plot of the video.

Nuttin' but love G.

~Seen

[Zaphod_Beeblebrox]

true, i didn't say anything about Olin, because that wasn't what i was talking about, Olin is one of the best uses of AE on the site, this much is true, but i never said it had any story or anything to go with it, i just said i loved it, not why i loved it.

And personally i consider DrngdKreationz > Koop, because koop had a fine idea, it would have been good, and then making a vid with that level of effects in it, which i consider to be pointless because it just distracted me.

on a side note: Olin has a theme, but not really a story as such, as i see it, but i think Olin has so much in it that each person can take what they want from it and almost make their own theme for it, this comes as a direct result of using so many pieces of footage in each section, thus adding to what i think DrngdKreations theme was, and what you said: Mental Chaos and Confusion.

[ANTDrakko]

true, i didn't say anything about Olin, because that wasn't what i was talking about, Olin is one of the best uses of AE on the site, this much is true, but i never said it had any story or anything to go with it, i just said i loved it, not why i loved it.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up ^_^.

And personally i consider DrngdKreationz > Koop, because koop had a fine idea, it would have been good, and then making a vid with that level of effects in it, which i consider to be pointless because it just distracted me.

Sounds good, I'm sure others feel the same as you ^_^.

on a side note: Olin has a theme, but not really a story as such, as i see it, but i think Olin has so much in it that each person can take what they want from it and almost make their own theme for it, this comes as a direct result of using so many pieces of footage in each section, thus adding to what i think DrngdKreations theme was, and what you said: Mental Chaos and Confusion.

So its kind of like a Picasso painting; you can pull any type of meaning from it you want. Hmmm...maybe I'm just not that creative ^_^.

~Seen