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Post by jasper-isis » Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:06 pm

downwithpants wrote:jasper's song might work, though it's a bit on the structured side of my preferences (actually sounds like some video game songs i've heard). but if you can feel you can make a nice intro with it, it should be good.
Blah, my edited version does the song no justice AT ALL. (I think Pen-pen would agree.) I just couldn't think of a good cut that would put it around 30 seconds. In recompense: the full song.

Rose4Emily: do you have a specific song in mind?
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Post by rose4emily » Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:07 pm

Actually, "Free Bird" (the Haibane one, not the Lynyrd Skynyrd one - which is a bit long for our purposes) is a great intro song. Problem is - it's an intro song - and I know I certainly would be expecting it to lead into Haibane, no matter how much I knew better. On the same lines as my discarding the idea of using "Fly Me to the Moon" as the end theme.

I don't know the other song she mentioned, so I really can't comment. I can take a trip through the Haibane OSTs (which I actually do have) to see if I encounter another gem that isn't so powerfully recognizable. The theme played during Rakka and Nemu's story of the beginning of the world comes to mind, but I'll have to give it another listen to see how well it fits in terms of tone and length.

I actually was thinking to use jazz music for the intro and credits specifically because we left it out of the project, to sort of say "hey, we haven't forgotten you". That, and it sounds good. Unfortunately, most of the Miles Davis pieces I was thinking of are way too long for and intro, and without any real breaks that would be a good point to cut them off.

I have packed up one very large set of CDs that are headed home with me. I'm sure that, among them, I'll find the perfect theme for the Instrumentality introduction.
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Post by rose4emily » Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:02 pm

Song: do you have the pre-processed versions of your new recorings?

I'm wondering, because I love the tone, but I think the noise gating is just a bit too sharp - it kills all of the "room tone" (apparently an actual film term - means "ambient sound"), which has the end effect of making it seem "clipped together" rather than continuous.

Since this is narrated in a "news room" setting, I actually don't see any problem with having a little hum and tape-deck sound in the background. It's nowhere near loud enough to interfere with listening to what you are saying, and actually gives "life" to the recording by setting your voice in an "environment" that helps to keep the space between the words from seeming to "sterile" or "artificial".

Sorry to be bringing this up just now - it's the first chance I've had to log on and ask.
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Post by Songbird21 » Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:25 pm

rose4emily wrote:Song: do you have the pre-processed versions of your new recorings?
Ummm. That's not processed that's straight from the recordings I made. Do you want me to ad some kind of underlying BG noise? Wow. I never thought having a completely clean recording would be a problem. LOL. :)
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Post by jasper-isis » Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:04 pm

I've always found that increasing the "wet" settings under reverb could make cleanly-recorded audio a little less sterile-sounding.
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Post by Otohiko » Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:17 pm

Yea, I'd have thought it's easier to add ambience to sound than make a completely clean recording, really - I'm sure you have something with decent reverb effects to add.

Adding some ambience to voices is probably a good idea unless you have a really good recording environment to begin with. I've actually been telling that to Voices_of_Ryan for his original-voicing videos, but he hasn't followed up on the suggestion so far - alas, I think it would've made a lot of positive difference.
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Post by rose4emily » Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:52 pm

Hmmm... I guess you have some sort of built-in gating in your recording hardware, Song.

That being the case, I'll try a few reverb settings and mixing in some separately recorded "room tone" - I should be able to even it out pretty well if I can get a similar sounding ambiance recording and reverse gate it off of your vocal tracks (which would have it back off when you're talking, but return for the moments of dead silence - set the parameters right and the transition should sound almost seamless).

It might actually help if you gave me a recording where you've set everything up as before - same room, same equipment - and record a few minutes of the air. So long as the gating doesn't kick in, doing this should give us a very close match for "filling in the mix".

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I'm re-doing my narrations as well, trying for better sound using different equipment. I'll update you all on this one as soon as I know whether it's coming out any better. My original recordings had a little too[/t] much ambient background (mostly soundcard noise, really), so I'm hoping for better this time around.

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I've finally created a "set" for the 16:9 section. Haven't posted it yet, as I've had trouble uploading to my own computer back in Rochester (something about certificates and it recognizing my machine, but locking certain forms on access because it's connected from outside the network). I really should read up more on some of the little quirks of Linux security - because every time I set up some slightly different configuration, it does a different set of strange things regarding what I can and can't do from a remote connection.

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I've tried out my ideas for improving the encoding quality, and have come up with great results. Encoding at 720:480 anamorphic for both sections (where it records non-square pixels, same as most DVDs) didn't increase the filesizes by much at all - but it definately helped quality, especially in terms of how "sharp" the picture looks. I also did the filtering a little differently, making the "smart blur" more selective and forgoing any temporal denoising. The output picture looks every bit as good as the imput picture now, for every video, so far as I can tell on my laptop's display. I still would like to evaluate the new encodings on a TV out, and my color-calibrated CRT monitor back in Rochester (as the laptop display has some issues with poor color saturation and very noticable "stepping" in the darkest and lightest parts of the picture, that make it difficult to determine whether any artifacts are being hidden or exaggerated by the quirks of the display). So far as I can tell, however, the new test encodings are a big improvement over the last ones.

The new file sizes are as follows:

4:3 - 366 MiB for all video segments.
16:9 - 472 MiB for all video segments.

Both will fit easily onto standard CDs, even after the additional material (which compresses by a much larger factor, since it is relatively low-motion) has been included.

I've also made the new encodings using 256 Kbps MP3 audio, rather than the 128 Kpbs used last time. I've noticed a small difference, not sure if most people would, but audio is a pretty small part of the total encoding size anyhow.

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I'll make VOBs when I get back to Rochester and have access to software that can do it (without my spending hours installing software and learning how to write a bunch of scripts to control it - the somewhat impractical alternative).

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I'm down to two songs on the into, one from the Haibane Soundtrack, one from a collection of Brazillian-influenced music featuring Yo-Yo Ma. They have a somewhat similar sound, and I'm working out a single visual theme with some relatively simple abstract animation and a series of text titles. I'll then go with whichever one feels best when I start tieing it into the visuals.

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Jacques Loussier's arrangement of "Air on a G String" is the winner for the end credits. I'm making the end credits entirely with a script that directs the image movement and compositing, using titles I'm preparing using the same font and overall look as the ones used for the titles shown before each segment. This way I can easily start making it now, and replace one of the stand-in images if I recieve any more photographs. I'm just picking screencaps for the "video" images missing from the end credit image set.
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Post by rose4emily » Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:22 am

The narratives video is now about halfway done, and the hard part is all behind me.

I wrote a Java program that reads an audio file and, based on the average amplitude over each set of samples corresponding to a frame, selects which narrator image best fits that amplitude and writes it to a shell script that I then use to compile the finished narrative.

I then composited together the remaining image sets needed for the 4:3 narratives, so I'd have plenty of material to work with.

I also created a secondary set of images that allow "Miazawa" to blink, giving her a somewhat more lifelike performance.

The amazing part is that, after I run each narrative through all this process, it actually works pretty well - and produces a perfectly watchable talking narrator that selectively blinks and is accompanied by a slide show neatly framed by her television display. This means we don't have to use any cheesy tricks like moving the camera into just the slides durring the narrative to make producing the narratives possible - something which really didn't look all that great for some narritives, due to their having a relatively small number of "slides" to show.

So, I spent six hours on a lipsynching program (about four and a half of which were spent on trying to get it to read a "wav" file properly - something which fell together pretty quickly after I remembered that x86 processors use a "little-endian" byte order), and am now able to finish off a rather nicely animated narrative for each segment in about 15 minutes (most of which is spent on preparing the images and deciding where the "blinks" and slide transitions should go).

Tomorrow I'll put together all of the widescreen narratives, using my new narrative recordings and the widescreen "set" I assembled the other day, and try to post a couple from each set on my Grace account (on the school-administered server) back at RIT so you can see an example of what I've been up to.

Hopefully you'll agree that the lip-synch, while not perfect (there are certain subtleties that can be percieved but would require a lot more code for me to deal with them), is at least as close as is seen most anime, and far better than that seen in most dubs. It'd be nice if I could also get some head movement or something like that into the narratives, but I haven't had much success with trying to do so, and don't think it's too big a deal for the 30-second length most of these narratives fit into.

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Song - I don't yet have your narrative for "Simplicity". I also only have an older version for "Warrior's Dance", which is noticably noisier than the new narratives. My personal FTP is either offline or inaccessable from my current location, so I'll PM you with info on how you can drop those on my Grace account, so I'll be able to complete the fullscreen narrative set.

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The end credits script is just about done. I'm still down a couple images, but I'll be ready to assemble a "proof of concept", at least, by the time I'm back in Rochester using placeholder images. I can then substitute in others if I recieve them after-the-fact.

I've created "video image" substitutes for every video I don't have an end-credits image for using a screenshot selected from each video. I also did a little tweaking to these images to help them look good in the context of the end credits.

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The intro is being done on the same idea as the end credits, with text (in the frilly font used for the video titles) appearing and dissappearing over the course of time. Unlike the end credits, the text is generally just being faded in and out of view. I am working on a little idea to give the main title itself a little life with a moving highlight (I don't have any good works for describing what I'm going for, but a lot of film studios do it with their logos).

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I've also taken care to shave off anything the video segments themselves that really doesn't belong - like the repeated audio at the end of my "13'37"", or the pre-existing title bumpers in "A Boy I Knew". No actual content had been removed, just a couple of redundancies. Actually, I think those were the only two things I had to trim off, but it's late, so I might be forgetting something.

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Finally, the phrase "the end is near" is more probable with relation to this project than it is with respect to the existance of humanity.
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Post by Otohiko » Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:58 am

Whoa. You made an auto-lip-sync program?

That has to be one of the more impressive things I've heard recently; I don't think anyone's tried it before. Even if it just works with amplitude, that's already something very interesting.
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Post by Jnzk » Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:18 pm

Otohiko wrote:Whoa. You made an auto-lip-sync program?
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