New DVD Copyright Protection

narcted · Post by **narcted** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:51 am

Macrovision has announced it's releasing a new protection for DVDs called RipGuard. It's supposed to prevent 97% off DVD copying software. Anyone think this will make our hobbies more difficult?

I'd paste the article from the LA Times, but it won't let you read it unless you're a registered user.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:06 am

Haven't found much in the way of information on what RipGuard actually does, but if it's based on corrupting the disc in some weird way (which is what just about every MacroVision copy-protection scheme seems to be based on) it should already be handled by existing ripper software.

Oh, and here's the BBC article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4266977.stm

The writing sucks -- it links the cracking of CSS to an enormous DVD pirating industry, which is completely bogus* -- but the information, or what little exists of it, is there.

* It's bogus because you don't need to crack CSS to make a bit-by-bit copy of a DVD and sell it, which is what pirates do. The DVD pirating industry existed long before DeCSS ever came about. You DO need to have access to the CSS schematics to analyze its security, play a legally purchased DVD on unsanction hardware, or anything God-forbiddenly-legal like that.

Right. I'm not going on that rant again; hopefully, I'm just preaching to the choir.

bum · Post by **bum** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:58 am

Their is and allways will be ways to copy dvd's without touching the copy protection. Most PC's these days should easily handle playing a dvd and runing cam studio at the same time. Simply record to huffyuv or full quality mjpeg (both of which are prety fast) and then recompress to divx/xvid. If you dont have the hdd space, record to divx. From what I've experienced, its the fastest distribution codec out their. Off cource you could allways use tv card or a video card with vivo.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:24 am

trythil wrote:I'm just preaching to the choir.

Yes, yes you are.

As someone on /. pointed out, a way around this will be known and publicized before the DVDs even hit the market, so I'm not worried.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:16 am

If it prevents 97% of dvd copying software from working, then 3% of software still works. I fail to see how this will stop copying.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:00 am

Zarxrax wrote:If it prevents 97% of dvd copying software from working, then 3% of software still works. I fail to see how this will stop copying.

WORD

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:23 am

Give it a few weeks or months of the disks going to the consumer market and multiple people will hack it and create ripping software.

I really never saw how this prevents piracy considering anything digital can be hacked. Bootleggers will find a way around it with little difficulty and buisness will proceed as usual. Really the only ones being hurt by this is going to be the average consumer who might simply make a backup copy of their dvd for their own personal use.

Not to mention at a certain point they are going to go overboard with the encryption to the point that certain disk players will be unable to read the new disks. That would certainly anger a lot of consumers.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:55 pm

The just might be the problem with this new Macrovision considering a lot of Anime DVDs don't have it since anime is more sensative to it.. Nothing like putting your brand new Anime disc into your play and getting a crappy picture from it when it's just plugged directly to yout TV....

Sure would be ironic if we have to use software to rip the DVD, copy it and make a new master just to be able to watch what you bought and own

Sooner or later you'll have to have your DVD player do a retina scan just to be able to play a DVD

Vlad

DrngdKreationz · Post by **DrngdKreationz** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:27 pm

there will probably be a way around that too if it does happen.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:36 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote: Sure would be ironic if we have to use software to rip the DVD, copy it and make a new master just to be able to watch what you bought and own

Why is that ironic? That is what GNU/Linux users effectively had to do before CSS was so badly and soundly broken with new implementations.