Proposal for Honest Op week

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:25 pm

I just want to run this idea by as many people as possible and see what the AMV community at large thinks of it.

Ok, we all know that opinion scores here are inflated in pretty much every category. The reasoning for this (in my opinion) is because people either only op videos they really like or op vids in the exchange forum where they are afraid to give a bad mark, lest the exchangee decides to spaz and leave a revenge op (then there are the rabid fanboys/fangirls that I don't even want to get into a discussion about). The number of average and below Average videos I have randomly downloaded shows me (and, I’m sure many of you) that high averages are ridiculous.

So, my idea sprang from this conjecture: "What if a lot of honest people started leaving a lot of honest opinions for a lot of these mediocre and bad videos?"

My plan will be that a designated week (TBA) would be an honest op week, where everybody that wanted to participate could download and honestly op 5, 10, even 50 random videos.

The key to the plan is to op honestly (no short ops that can request moding because the recipient doesn’t like the score he/she got), and randomly (not the same person, or they might see this as an attack on them, and that is not the point of this).

I really don't know where the idea came from; I’m not some great editor that has aspirations to make any top video list, but I do notice the problem of inflated scores and it bugs me for some reason.

So, anyone that is interested in this idea please let me know. Tell your friends, spread the word, and we could make an impact no matter how small it may be.

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:47 pm

i always op honestly, but i never op videos that i view that are mediocre.

AMV_4000 · Post by **AMV_4000** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:55 pm

Farlo wrote:i always op honestly, but i never op videos that i view that are mediocre.

more then me, i never op honest.. i just act like i watch the vid *im usually sleeping or in the bathroom* then i give an op on how i feel... if im mad, you get crappy scores, if im happy, you get crappy scores, so you may be lucky and get... crappy scores!

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:57 pm

Farlo wrote:i always op honestly, but i never op videos that i view that are mediocre.

Farlo, in [url=http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=50193]this thread[/url], wrote:i op videos i like or hate, new or old.

Which is it, Farlo?

Anyway, most of my reviews were given to whoever asked in my few free review threads, and I was honest with all of them.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:58 pm

My main problem is the focus (attack) on mediocre and bad videos. Yes, that is the quickest way to lower the site average. That doesn't change the fact that the average is high because of inflated reviews given to *good* videos, not to bad ones.

We're punishing the people who don't get ops because we like to give the 'better than average' vids straight tens (when they should be getting 7-8s).

I don't think you should go to the bottom to fix a problem that starts on the top. If we give lots of low reviews to bad videos, that won't stop the average from being high - the good videos will continue to get overly high reviews - and since they get a lot more reviews than any other video, the average of *their* scores is what has weight on the overall site average.

Now...if you plan to flood every bad video with low scores, say...4000 per year, you can lower the site average by 2 points in each category. That's assuming people give out straight 1s to these 'mediocre and bad' videos. If you're only doing 4s and 5s, you'll need a lot more reviews.

Personally, I can't imagine you finding enough people to give that many low reviews on a yearly basis. And it would have to be a lot of reviews all the time - otherwise the inflated 'all 10s' wouldn't be affected at all by this project.

Statistically, that's a sure-fired plan to lower the overall average. But don't forget you're planning to flood flesh and blood creators with low reviews - not because you want to help them improve, but because you don't like the numbers on the overall chart (which has nothing to do with the poor/mediocre creators, since they don't get reviews anyway).

AMV_4000 · Post by **AMV_4000** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:04 pm

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thats quite a good point, i may not have read anything you wrote but i concur, 4000 per year!

thats how all of my all 10 ops got on the org *thats why euphoria is still up there.. and thats why most of the vids that are up there are up there...*

soon, the top video will be.. A Field Trip!

(boobies... wow...)

James Sharp · Post by **James Sharp** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:05 pm

I always give honest opps..and the standards for my opps come from my experience level comparison. so as i get better. i give "better" more detailed opps. but my scores i give have come down considerably.

James Sharp · Post by **James Sharp** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:13 pm

and secondly a huge problem lies in the fact that there are alot of first time amv makers out there that either get great scores because its there first time and people dont wanna sound like dicks. or they have there friends give there shitty little video straight tens. i will see a vid with one or two opps. and a score of like 9.5.. and i will think wow a diamond in the rough. but all that it really is is a peice of shit that some jackoff made because he saw his friends do it. Then they get pissed off and bitch you out because you gave them generous 5's and 6's... by no means do i consider myself a good amv maker.. but least i put the effort into making somthing thats not a pile of steaming crap.

I think i may have just vented there for a sec...

i feel better

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:19 pm

Arigatomina wrote:My main problem is the focus (attack) on mediocre and bad videos. Yes, that is the quickest way to lower the site average. That doesn't change the fact that the average is high because of inflated reviews given to *good* videos, not to bad ones.

The thing is.. I am asking people to op random videos. Statistically, if enough random videos are given honest opinions (ones that are honest in score and helpful to the creators) it should help with the average.

I'm not saying that the majority of videos here suck. But i don't think the majority of the videos here are deserving of the high averages. It makes people who recieve average marks for an average video seem, well... far less than average.

I'm not suggesting that people look for bad videos with the intent of ripping the creator a new one, but to instead chose enough random videos that, by the statistical facts that are in place here, they will op videos that are not great. A fair amount of them, in fact.

Kaiba57 · Post by **Kaiba57** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:52 pm

Why don't we just change the averarage score to be a 7 instead of a 5

I believe that this would make it a lot easier for everyone. I mean that a lot of people aready op so that a 7 is somewhat average, and insteading of asking the majority of the org change the way they op, I think that it would be better to just to change the average instead.