Proposal for Honest Op week

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:52 pm

Kalium wrote:
Kaiba57 wrote:I really don't understand why a lot of people don't like the "high" averages on the system. The reason the global avarages are inflated is becasue many people op vids that are either very good, or that they really like, hence the many 9's and 10's. You would not often op a vid that really sucks, or you disliked. The only time I could really see a peson oping a bad vid, was probably for an op exchange, but other than that, hardly anyone will op an vid that they think deserves 4's or 5's.
Therein lies the problem. Inflation.

Perhaps if the site stopped showing the stats for average scores...?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:36 pm

Scintilla wrote:Perhaps if the site stopped showing the stats for average scores...?

If they stopped showing them, they could stop using them (the color codes on reviews given and received on the profile page, and the use of the site average in the top 10 list). As long as they're using them to determine 'final' scores, they can't hide them without causing confusion and suspicion.

The top 10 is a quick cause of inflation. The higher the comparison 'overall average', the higher the review scores need to be, so the reviews given are necessarily higher - leading to a higher 'overall average'.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:56 pm

Arigatomina wrote: This is very irritating coming from someone who's given 10 reviews in 7 months, a total of 1332 words according to the usefulness. I've been reading this thread for days, but I haven't seen you give any additional reviews.

If you want to encourage people to review more, lead by example. Omni led by example when he was trying to get older creators to review newbie vids - he gave more than his share to show that he wasn't asking anything he didn't do himself.

I'm sorry about that... I know how i must look, but there is a bit of difficulty on my part that i hoped would be fixed by the server move. Essentially, my network connection at the university i attend dosn't like to connect to the org's databases correctly. Even using Flash Get with Firefox (flash got plugin) many videos i attempt to download ultimately fail to do so or begin a timeout/reconnection loop that looks like a 0.03 k/sec transfer. This problem has also resulted in the site asing me to leave star ratings and opinions for videos i havn't even recieved and not asking me to do so on the one or two videos i've mannaged to successfully recieve. As soon as i get this problem take care of i will begin to download a lot of videos and give a lot of opinions to make up for lost time. In the time being, my scholarship is in danger and i have a con to go to, so this week probably wasn't the best idea to bring this whole issue up. I'll try to fix the problem i have with downloading videos as best as i can (though i don't really know how) so i can put my money where my mouth is...

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:34 pm

eh.. double post = bad

I just tried getting 2 videos... one downloaded fine from kero, but the second, from nago, resulted in the following error:

Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Connecting nago.animemusicvideos.org [IP=205.134.161.105:80]
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Connected.
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 GET /downloadlocal.php?v=22346 HTTP/1.1
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Host: nago.animemusicvideos.org
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Accept: */*
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Referer: http://nago.animemusicvideos.org/localdownload.php
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Cookie: cookie_skin_id=0
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Range: bytes=6559222-
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Pragma: no-cache
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Cache-Control: no-cache
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Authorization: Basic [REDACTED ---derobert. Hope you've already changed your password.]
Mon Apr 25 21:28:31 2005 Connection: close
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:28:24 GMT
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 X-Powered-By: PHP/4.1.2
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 Connection: close
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 Start Receiving Data!
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 Error occured!
Mon Apr 25 21:28:32 2005 Wait 5 second for retry

I stopped the video after 95 reconnect attempts.

This is the error i was talking about above. It has been stopping me from getting much of anything in the last 2 or 3 months. Any suggestions?

James Sharp · Post by **James Sharp** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:19 pm

Ya move into your own Apartment And get outa the dorms:) then get cable. Besides dorm food makes you poop too much

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:43 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:I stopped the video after 95 reconnect attempts.

This is the error i was talking about above. It has been stopping me from getting much of anything in the last 2 or 3 months. Any suggestions?

That's just weird. I'm assuming you use a windows computer. What are you trying to download with? If it's firefox, they have another program they're suggesting for resumes off nago - skim back a few pages on the site help section - AD posted a link for some download program that was supposed to work with nago better than firefox does. Or try opera. Or...even just internet explorer. I've yet to receive a problem downloading with it despite the bad rap and lack of 'resume' function.

Either way, you should post that weird error in the site help section if you haven't.

About the 'money-mouth post'...I've been on dial-up since I joined, so I tend to think everyone else can get vids a lot easier than I can. I forget to consider firewalls on campus and those without internet access at home.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:37 pm

Well.. i'm tring to deal with the whole downloading issue here and hope to hell it works.

Back on topic, however, given there isn't a random video (and in the idea of fairness in all oping) i came up with a few suggestions regarding how to choose a random video (though that sounds oxymoronic at best) for this whole "Honest Op Week" idea.

Most of these ideas are common sence; and, yes, some make the selection less random, but fairness should be your top priority. If you know you won't fairly op, please don't op it.

1) If you have certain musical genre preferences, don't let them get in your way of giving an opinion. you can look at the audio source used on a video chosen at random (or even search by artist) to find enough videos for your opping to still be random enough.

2) If you have an aversion to a series either suck it up and deal with it, or don't op a video if you can't do it right. Choose another one without that series.

3) If you're searching by a certain criteria and get, say, 1000 results and you sort them alphabetically, don't just grab the first few videos you see. Jump around to different pages, and grab different things.

4) Grab as many videos as you feel you have the time/energy/pacience to watch and give detailed opinions to. Strive for as many as you feel you can properly do.

5) I know the major problem with the averages stem from vids that people got friends to op or made fake accounts to op, but please refrain from intentionally targeting those videos if you can help it.

6) Be respectful. If a video sucks, give a detailed description of why it sucks... and don't use words like "sucks" in your op! Be kind

If anyone else could add to or comment this list of rules, please feel free to do so.

Also, i was toying with the idea of putting a tag line in each opped video for this project. Would that be a good idea, or not?

basterd!! · Post by **basterd!!** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:43 pm

Really there is only one real solution to the "problem" of inflated scored on this site, however it is very draconian.

First allow anyone to leave opinions but without scores. That way they can express what they liked or disliked about the video to the creator.

Second form a conclave of members "authorized" to give scores and who adhere to strict review guidelines. each new video would be randomly assigned to 3 conclave members for scoring purposes, with one members writting a consensus opinion to the creator.

Honestly the only purpose for number scoring is, IMHO, in order to gain attention for your video. Which as we all know from previous members who create 30 fake accounts in order to be on the top 10%, is very important to some.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:37 pm

I think having an Honest Op week is a slight disservice to the idea of ops as a whole, as it suggests that they're dishonest to begin with.

Now, forgive me from going a bit OT, but I HONESTLY wish I would get to my long-outstanding ops. Unfortunately, honest though ever I tend to be (if quite positive), I just haven't been up to ops lately. It's like I lost my ability to critically view AMV's

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:51 pm

Otohiko wrote:Unfortunately, honest though ever I tend to be (if quite positive), I just haven't been up to ops lately. It's like I lost my ability to critically view AMV's

Word. Same here, man.