i find it funny... [re: amv copyright infringment]

[older_gohan]

They are going to have to much of a problem trying to crack down on this that it'll just get bigger. Look what happened to napster. They cracked down on that and now we have winmx which is free and let's you dl songs, videos and pictures. I don't think they realize that just by doing this they are going to promote the growth.

The way I see it in how they don't have much of case is the fact that the music videos does not display the whole movie. Infact it only shows various parts that would mean nothing to anyone else. AMV's aren't hurting the companies who copywrited it because they aren't showing the whole things. Infact it would be more or less promoting the anime because it's giving parts in a appealing way which would help people who want to see it.

Infact I would go along saying that maybe the people who make the animes should use some of the fan made music vids to help promote them.

[Pie Row Maniac]

funky music videos set to popular songs

Is that what I spend my free time making?

I kinda like the idea of my videos being seen as "funky"

[Fall_Child42]

Infact I would go along saying that maybe the people who make the animes should use some of the fan made music vids to help promote them.

Hell I know at least three differant anime series I want to see because of AMV's (Azumanga Diaoh being the biggest one that comes to mind...)

And I know, If I were making DVD bonus material, I'd so put in Fan Made AMV's.

[Ashyukun]

Infact I would go along saying that maybe the people who make the animes should use some of the fan made music vids to help promote them.

Hell I know at least three differant anime series I want to see because of AMV's (Azumanga Diaoh being the biggest one that comes to mind...)

By and large, I think the domestic anime companies do consider AMVs (and likely other fan works) as being good better-than-free (as we pay for the source DVDs we use) promotional materials even though legally and officially they can't condone it. There have been a number of shows I've tracked down and bought because of AMVs, and I'd imagine there are scant few of us who haven't discovered at least one show we didn't know about before because of them- probably even moreso when it comes to music.

And I know, If I were making DVD bonus material, I'd so put in Fan Made AMV's.

That's all well and good- but then you'd also have to secure the rights for the audio that was used in the Fan Made AMVs. We may get something of a pass because we're just too small and not making any profit off of this, but you can bet your bank account that the music industry would come down hard on a company selling commercial DVDs with their music on them without securing (and paying a likely hefty price for) the right to do so.

[JCD]

This is great news.

I was never worried about anime copyright holders since they support AMVs - we already know that. But people trying to get a fair use clause set up for our works is more than great. Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE
/me dreams

[Kusoyaro]

Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE

And then we can use our AMVs to make MONEY!!



OH WAIT

[Brad]

Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE

And then we can use our AMVs to make MONEY!!



OH WAIT

LAAAAAAME

[trythil]

This is great news.

I was never worried about anime copyright holders since they support AMVs - we already know that. But people trying to get a fair use clause set up for our works is more than great. Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE :D
/me dreams

The "fair use" clause already exists.

In practice, though, it is useless, because (1) it is very vague re: its applications to AMVs (here's the U.S. fair use clause: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 ) and (2) you need a lawyer (read: expensive) to make use of it.

Furthermore, AMVs are not subject to just U.S. copyright law. In most cases the copyrights as detailed by the Berne Convention also apply, and the definition of fair use there is a bit different ( http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/10.html ). I'm not a lawyer, so I won't say yes or no on this, but I don't think you can say that an AMV is merely composed of "quotations".

AMV's aren't hurting the companies who copywrited it because they aren't showing the whole things. Infact it would be more or less promoting the anime because it's giving parts in a appealing way which would help people who want to see it.

essentially the same thing

I don't think you get it. This isn't a matter of us inflicting harm on them, even though they say it is. It is a matter of who retains control, and for how long, over creative properties.

That may sound like a tinfoil hat conspiracy, and, to some extent, it is. Consider, however, that the MPAA is working to destroy even conservative efforts to limit copyright terms (see the Eldred Act's progress). The RIAA is starting to wise up a bit, although their latest round of lawsuits place the emphasis on the "bit" part.

[trythil]

[quote=trythil]
I don't think you get it. This isn't a matter of us inflicting harm on them, even though they say it is. It is a matter of who retains control, and for how long, over creative properties.
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I suppose we can discuss the degree of compensation, too.

[Castor Troy]

Imagine in the best case all the fuzz about illegality will be GONE

And then we can use our AMVs to make MONEY!!



OH WAIT

Sounds like the bootleg DDR dvds that were sold at cons.