not all anime is made in japan!!!

paranoia_agent99 · Post by **paranoia_agent99** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:51 am

ok i know that its hard to belive, but most anime is not made in japan. It is usualy made in some 3rd world country. the charicter desighn is made in japan, the plot is made in japan, but the actual art is made cheep in a 3rd world country. some of the anime , mostly old schoolstuf like astro boy, is made in japan,but some new ones are made in japan. I expect alot of arguements,and crap thrown at me, but i am japanese and this would only make me look dumb if i didnt no what i was talking about. BUT manga is made in japan.. that i am sure of.and before anyone says anything I HAVE reserched this.if i say any more i will et really unpopular . sorry but the avitar string was closed so i had to make a new topic.

R-A-N-M-A · Post by **R-A-N-M-A** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:00 am

I have no reason to doubt you, how ever neither have I a reason to believe you. If you could tender us some proof that would be nice. For future referance, please don't type all in bold and defenetly drop the underline it just makes you seem like a huge ass hat.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:08 am

Um. Yes. We know.

It's called outsourcing. It's equally popular for all 1st-World animation industries, Japan included.

Computers are catching up as in-betweeners these days too.

bobbarker31 · Post by **bobbarker31** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:17 am

That's been going on for many many year. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water had some of its series animated in Korea. It happens.

LoneMysteryWolf · Post by **LoneMysteryWolf** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:06 pm

Yes, I believe its true. Also, nowadays, any Japanese animated that is sent over to America is adopted by the Americans, and is screwed over by the Americans. They take it, and pladgerize it. They make their few differences, then put it out.....sometimes they'll take it in seriously and make their own endings to it if they wanted, but keep it along the same guidelines from the Japanese' original art. It's horrible!

Plus, some people here believe that American Animation isn't anime at all. It doesn't make sense to me. Isn't Rave Master American made? What about DBZ? Did they originate in Japan? If so, then the Americans made it their own. This really bites, I'm so confused to what is animation.

I mean, as long as it has good art, and is moving pictures, then its anime to me. I don't know, what do you think?

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:41 pm

LoneMysteryWolf wrote:Yes, I believe its true. Also, nowadays, any Japanese animated that is sent over to America is adopted by the Americans, and is screwed over by the Americans. They take it, and pladgerize it. They make their few differences, then put it out.....sometimes they'll take it in seriously and make their own endings to it if they wanted, but keep it along the same guidelines from the Japanese' original art. It's horrible!

... the hell?

When was the last time you watched anime on DVD?

(Or even on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim -- from what I've heard, those shows are not edited significantly; I saw their broadcast of FLCL, and that was hardly edited at all.)

LoneMysteryWolf wrote:Plus, some people here believe that American Animation isn't anime at all. It doesn't make sense to me.

By this site's definition, it isn't.

LoneMysteryWolf wrote:Isn't Rave Master American made? What about DBZ?

LoneMysteryWolf wrote:Did they originate in Japan?

<u>Yes.</u> Made by Japanese people for a Japanese audience.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:38 pm

LoneMysteryWolf wrote:Yes, I believe its true. Also, nowadays, any Japanese animated that is sent over to America is adopted by the Americans, and is screwed over by the Americans. They take it, and pladgerize it. They make their few differences, then put it out.....sometimes they'll take it in seriously and make their own endings to it if they wanted, but keep it along the same guidelines from the Japanese' original art. It's horrible!

Plus, some people here believe that American Animation isn't anime at all. It doesn't make sense to me. Isn't Rave Master American made? What about DBZ? Did they originate in Japan? If so, then the Americans made it their own. This really bites, I'm so confused to what is animation.

I mean, as long as it has good art, and is moving pictures, then its anime to me. I don't know, what do you think?

DBZ is made in america. I mean, they talk in english on Cartoon Network.

L.Valentine · Post by **L.Valentine** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:36 pm

Perhaps LoneMyysteryWolf is getting confused with that censorship (cutting/modifying/etc...) usually applied in America on animes.
That's the only explanation I can find...

And about the japanese or not japanese question, even if it was true I wouldn't be surprised.
If other countries behave like that, why not Japan?
(I'm not saying it's a good behavior, keep in mind that)

Cloud Clone · Post by **Cloud Clone** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:55 pm

Speaking of 3rd world countries, isn't recorded in Canada?

Ha-ha...Canada.

OtakuMan22 · Post by **OtakuMan22** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:33 am

Defining what is and isn't anime has been tricky for some time now. as more people try and emulate the "anime" style, the lines can sometimes blur as to where the animation originated from.

For example. Totally Spies and Code Lyoko while OBVIOUSLY trying to emulate the anime style are both from France.

Then there are shows like Avatar and G.I. Joe Sigma 6 which while made by animation companies from Japan (at least I know G.I. Joe is), were written, directed, and produced by American companies.

A Chinese Ghost Story was made in, where else, China and was directed by Martial Arts movie master Tsui Hark.

Finally, Korea has made animated material that looks like anime as well, which makes sense since it has "manwha" and also does animation work for some companies in Japan as well as companies in America as well. I wouldn't doubt that they do work for a number of companies across the globe.

So with all these countries producing material resembling anime, that leaves the question, "So what IS anime"?

The traditional definition used by most Otaku here in the USA is that anime is animation that comes from Japan and Japan ONLY! Anything else is an immitation.

The reason most USA hardcore Otaku are strict in this rule is because they often look for and enjoy the Japanese culture that is found in anime. They like seeing things that are uniquely Japanese or landmarks and history, and other things that are 100% Japan. The Japanese perspective on topics such as science fiction, life, death, roles of men, roles of women, the future, myths and legends, and more is part of the spice that makes a good number of anime quite intriguing.

Does that mean that all Otaku from the US should snub the animation from other countries? The answer to that is a resounding NO!

Korea has recently been getting more active in producing original animation, and one of the recent titles from them, My Beautiful Girl Mari (not to be confused with My Dear Marie, or Metal Angel Marie), is a definite must watch. I also intend to see how G.I. Joe is handled when the animation is done by GONZO (I believe that's who's behind it). I figure it might breath some good life into Duke, Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Cobra Commander.

So now the US Otaku is probably still stomping their feet and insisting that this is not true anime. They claim that anime fans in Japan don't watch foreign material. That may just depend who you ask. Of course there are going to be those in Japan that enjoy their home turf anime and manga, but if you were to look for "anime" fans, you'd be surprised! "Anime" in Japanese is a word borrowed from the French, thus it is written using "Katakana", the Japanese character set for foreign words, phrases, and the like. "Anime" also references to ALL animation, regardless of their country of origin. An anime fan in Japan can like Korean or American movies as much as they like Japanese.

Also of note is the fact that originally, the art style of anime and manga actually came from early American animation. Osamu "God of Manga" Tezuka was originally influenced by the works of Disney before, during, and after WWII. He decided to leave the medical profession to pursue drawing manga, which (at the time) did not resemble what we know as "manga" in any sense of the word. (For an example, look up "Sazae-san")

Inspired by the early works of Disney, Tezuka fashioned his characters after the wide eyed characters from Disney movies and cartoons. If you look back to some of his early works like New Treasure Island, Metropolis, Lost World, and then some, you can clearly note the influence Tezuka's work from the 1950's got from Disney. Tezuka also pioneered the "motion picture" style of manga drawing where a frame can have no words or letters and just let the art do all the talking.

Likewise, Tezuka's style of manga and anime went on to inspire other manga artists and anime creators, and the rest is history. And yet, the funny thing is that if you think about it, you could say that anime and manga as we know it would not exist if not for Walt Disney.

Funny ain't it!

~Otaku-Man