not all anime is made in japan!!!

OtakuMan22 · Post by **OtakuMan22** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:49 pm

One question, Emil: Did you read my post on the first page? I covered most of this already.

Although a couple of things I wanted to point out.

1) I am not going anywhere NEAR thye art argument!

2) Anime is in fact NOT the shortening of the word "Animation", or at least the English word "Animation". All sources that I've asked or that I've read books from (Japanese professors and other anime and manga scholars like Fred Schodt and Gilles Poitras) have said that the original Japanese use of "Anime" came from France. I agree that anime fans should be open to more kinds of animation, especially for shows like Teen Titans and Justice League, but I do believe that "Anime" should stick to refer to Japanese animation, as opposed to using it to describe American productions with an anime style. I think someone here used some very good descriptors to tell if something falls under anime:

a) The intellectual property of the series was created by someone from Japan
b) The company responsible for the animation direction and quality is Japanese (For example, G.I. Joe Sigma 6 was created and directed by Americans, but the animation direction and production is being handled by GONZO studio (I believe that's the right studio) in Japan. Therefore, this is a G.I. Joe anime, same way as with what they did with Transformers).

3) I refute that Titan A.E. is an anime because of the fact that it is by Don Bluth (Dragon's Lair, An American Tail, Secret of Nimh) and that the animation studios, while trying to duplicate the anime style, were not Japanese.

4) I believe anime should not be used as a style or genre. Anime itself is composed of multiple genres, but the term "anime" helps refer to the creations coming from Japan. Instead of referring to something as "anime" style, I prefer to call it a "Manga" style, since a "manga" style can apply to animation from any country trying to imitate the Japanese animation style.

5) True, Osamu Tezuka did base his art style off of early Disney works, but the imitations that are trying to emulate Japanese animation are doing so based on the EVOLUTION of style that has evolved greatly since the 1950's and Tezuka's early days. Even Tezuka's style itself can look very "un-Disney-ish" at times, especially around the 70's. The guy experimented with quite a bit of stuff!

6) I agree that there are more bad animes coming out now than there used to be, but I still think that more anime classic need to be released stateside. ESPECIALLY Future Boy Conan!

Okay, that's about it for my agreements and disagreements. Back to work for me!

~Otaku-Man

EmilLang1000 · Post by **EmilLang1000** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:39 pm

Ah, Christ... I gotta start reading ALL the posts, not just the last 3...

OtakuMegane · Post by **OtakuMegane** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:12 am

My head hurts whenever I try to take in a debate on "what is anime?". I just check a random thread on it once a year or so to see if some consensus has been reached yet.

Here's what I personally use in general:

- Japanese animated stuff is 'anime'. I define this as released in Japan first; even if much of the production is done elsewhere, if a completed movie or series is released in Japan, it's anime.
- It's made/released first in America, I just use the American word 'animation'. Works well for me.
- For any other countries I have two approaches. I add the country's name to the word animation. Example: 'Korean animation'. The other option is using a term developed to reference animation from a specific country. Example: Chinamation (for Chinese animation).
- If I have no clue where something came from, I just call it animation and get on with more important things (like convincing people to watch Urusei Yatsura

).

That's it. I'm not going to return to debate/defend my choices. I'm just donating my 2 cents to this thread; take it however you wish.

LoneMysteryWolf · Post by **LoneMysteryWolf** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:24 pm

Sheesh! People are so touchy about this subject. All I needed was a good explaination to help me see the difference. I don't watch T.V. all that often, so I'm not fully in tuned with all you "anime" freaks...I mean fans.

Of course, I enjoyed the history lesson. I like to learn new things. It's been a while since I've watched anime, and I don't buy movies, just watch them off of T.V. and previews off the computer, so no one get frustrated with me if I just ask a simple question, or am given wrong, or different information. I am told things from other people, and have to assume its right since they've been around anime longer than I have. I didn't discover anime until I was in the sixth grade.

In any case, I am trying to get back in the habit of watching anime...not to become obsessed, but to enjoy it whenever I can... and so I can become inspired by their art, and make a comic book of my own. Whether its not considered Japanese or not, I don't care. Just as long as it has good art, and good story lines, its animation to me.

Well, I give up...I'm not much of a person to debate on something I don't know a whole lot about. Maybe I shouldn't post my opinions anymore, they just get lectured, and criticized for not being completely correct, or the same belief of others.

Whatever, though, if I don't understand something completely, I'll be sure to ask, and hopefully get a constructive lecture, not a rude one.

Thanks for the explaination OtakuMan22. It helped me see things from another perspective.

The_Collection · Post by **The_Collection** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:25 pm

well, even if its made in differant nations... as long as the overall theme of it is japanese anime it will always have a place in my hart!

OtakuMan22 · Post by **OtakuMan22** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:55 am

I hate to criticize and lecture to the point of putting others down... but I do take the time to answer questions as best I can and also try and squelch any negative posts before they happen. My posts usually provide quite a few answers before people start asking the wrong questions.

Sometimes.

Anyway, I wouldn't get too discouraged by the response. Ignore the mean people and stick to the helpful and not critical people. They are here on the forums, and given time, they'll pop their heads out and be very helpful. Okay?

Looking forward to seeing more posts from you!

~Otaku-Man

Dylan's forcelance · Post by **Dylan's forcelance** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:16 pm

Well that was an interesting read. I learned alot! Fun stuff. (lol)

Kajino Rei · Post by **Kajino Rei** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:16 pm

...

... What?

Anime made outside of Japan? Outsourcing?! This is an outrage!!!

This revelation has left me heartbroken. *sighs* There's one dream gone.

As long as the complete concept (designs, storyline, characters, etc) is Japanese; I'm all for it.
Everyone needs to reduce costs (especially if they're fixed) these days.
I won't penalize Japanese creators and publishers for doing business.
Because the Japanimation industry is a business, plain and simple.
As demand rises and costs lower, companies has more monetary resources.
More money means better quality and more offerings; it's all positive.

Who knew?

~Miss Rei

hiya123 · Post by **hiya123** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:01 pm

DBZ was made in japan, but america screwed it up with stupid quotes like HFIL and another dimension crap. They always screw up good anime!

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:11 pm

hiya123 wrote:They always screw up good anime!

... try Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, A.D. Vision's The Anime Network, or buying DVDs. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.