true fiction

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:19 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:I remember really liking this video at AWA, good stuff.

x2. Awesome job on this.

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:29 pm

I understand that everybody's opinion in is their own, but I'm thinking that quite a lot of people saw this video and only saw the effects. While granted, I dont know German hence I cant tell what lyric synch is there, I still could understand the theme all throughout. He talked about it in his description, but I didn't really need that to figure out what he was going for. It uses theme the same way many Various videos do. He wasn't trying to tell a specific line-for-line, beginning-to-end story. I don't think that's really necesarry. It wasn't like he flip-flopped his theme/mood all over the place.

But, you know, that's me. If everybody else needs everything spelled out for you, I guess that's cool.

Metro · Post by **Metro** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:16 pm

I would first like to thank everyone who responded here and left feedback, both positive and negative, but more thanks goes to those who enjoyed the video

Now on too some more detailed replies

Zarxrax wrote:All I can say is WOW. This video is freaking amazing. This marks the first "5" star rating I've given in many months, and that really says something. And despite the fact that its over 4 minutes long, I was glued to the screen the entire time. Truely a work of art that you have here.

I do have one gripe. The rotoscoping sort of sucked. I mean this in the sense that it was very obvious when you did it. A little cleaner around the edges with less blur, and maybe some color correction to make the characters composite better, and this video would have been absolutely perfect. Still though, this video is awesome :O

Indeed, parts of the rotoscoping did in fact suck. 3:37 is a prime example. I was just lazy and did a rush job. However, some of the rotoscoping is bad intentionally. Instead of creating an "Alternate Universe" where all the characters existed together I wanted to create more of a composite feel. Sort of like a scrapbook or a collage. To try to do this I overtly exagerated the depth blurs and the movements of the characters. Maybe in retrospect I should have made the rotoscoping either perfect or really crappy.

Tono_Fyr wrote:Least it wasn't as bad as LCY's pile. You paid attention to the music itself, so good for you in those sections... when you did the lip synch.. it just fell apart. Since that was a good chunk of the video, your whole piece fell apart.

Technically impressive, yes. Better than LCY's pile with this song, yes. Everything else is just too sketchy for me to give more than a 3 to.

And note, I CAN like effects... it's just that no one seems to do them well consistantly. This would've been a 4 had you simply ignored the areas where he sings, and edited to the music. Good job on ruining a video you spent months on.

Actually several times I considered dropping the lip synching portions of the video. However I decided to keep it because dramatic lip synch is hard, and I wanted a challenge. I have seen several dramatic amvs where the audience can't help but actually laugh when the characters lip synch. The intro portion of the video was included in an effort to avoid this problem (that and Misato is one of my favorite characters so I wanted to include her) Start out suddenly with dramatic lip sycnch so the audience won't laugh when it comes up later in the video. Now as for ruining months of work, in the end you gave the video a 3, and i can live with that.

A Bunch of People wrote:No Story

JCD wrote:@ others: Can't you just lay back and enjoy the eyecandy without searching for a meaning? It would've been lost anyway within all the effects, making the video actually worse

In fact I didn't want a story. In nearly all of my AMVs I have had very linear progression. A definite introduction, rising action, climax, conclusion. Example
I didn't want to do that for this video. I wanted to try something new. In the past I had enjoyed many an amv that had very little story and had wished my editing was a little more like that. So this is my attempt. If anything, I wanted to just concentrate on establishing a "mood" over establishing a "message" That's why its an action video. Its supposed to merely be enjoyable to watch.

And again thanks to everyone who commented on my video.

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:32 pm

Metro wrote:In fact I didn't want a story. In nearly all of my AMVs I have had very linear progression. A definite introduction, rising action, climax, conclusion. Example
I didn't want to do that for this video. I wanted to try something new. In the past I had enjoyed many an amv that had very little story and had wished my editing was a little more like that. So this is my attempt. If anything, I wanted to just concentrate on establishing a "mood" over establishing a "message" That's why its an action video. Its supposed to merely be enjoyable to watch.

Exactly what I was getting at with my post. The mood here is what really makes the video.

Esrhan · Post by **Esrhan** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:32 pm

Good explanation of what you were going for with this animemusicvideo, Metro, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people originally wanted/missed a story. I think this is where the intentions of the creator and the audience don't come together as well as one would hope. Which side should be the one making the call? Creator creates either for himself or the audience, that's about it.

JCD has always been an editor who has been more focused on the visual aspect of a video instead of the more deeper/complicated content. The thing is though, that a bunch of people here don't find it interesting to look at the eye-candy. Why? I don't have a general reason for that, but in my case I just find it boring. For me the real eye-candy comes from the original art, not from flashy effects.

Anyway, enough of that from me. Technically this video is awesome, no one can guestion that.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:37 pm

Esrhan wrote:The thing is though, that a bunch of people here don't find it interesting to look at the eye-candy. Why?

I think most people simply can't appreciate it until they actually try it for themselves and actually see what goes into it. I never appreciated the motion graphics in television commercials until I began learning After Effects, and at that point, tv ads became an entire new artform that I can enjoy sometimes.

Metro · Post by **Metro** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:23 pm

Esrhan wrote:Good explanation of what you were going for with this animemusicvideo, Metro, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people originally wanted/missed a story. I think this is where the intentions of the creator and the audience don't come together as well as one would hope. Which side should be the one making the call? Creator creates either for himself or the audience, that's about it.

Its interesting that you bring the fact that you either create for yourself or your audience because I couldn't agree more. And I made this video for an audience, preferably a large audience. I wanted to really grab the audience's attention and then hit them with a big finish. It was my intention that the audience would feed off each other's excitement and then hoot and holler at the end. Finally, walking away entertained.

Esrhan wrote:JCD has always been an editor who has been more focused on the visual aspect of a video instead of the more deeper/complicated content. The thing is though, that a bunch of people here don't find it interesting to look at the eye-candy. Why? I don't have a general reason for that, but in my case I just find it boring. For me the real eye-candy comes from the original art, not from flashy effects.

You present a valid argument. And if viewers don't enjoy the video because of its lack of plot/concept/story/ I respect that. Though if your looking for "original art" I do have some in my video =p

I think most people simply can't appreciate it until they actually try it for themselves and actually see what goes into it. I never appreciated the motion graphics in television commercials until I began learning After Effects, and at that point, tv ads became an entire new artform that I can enjoy sometimes.

As I mentioned in my video comments I was greatly inspired by car adds and TV promos

Though after awhile you start yelling the names of trapcode plugins at the TV. "Ooooh SHINE, that was so SHINE"

If you want to see a cool add check out n e o then go to "works" and watch "VW golf GTI" I want to see if its possible to pull off something similar in one of my future amvs

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:52 pm

Metro wrote:If you want to see a cool add check out n e o then go to "works" and watch "VW golf GTI" I want to see if its possible to pull off something similar in one of my future amvs

HOLY %#$@
Please tell me thats 100% just an actor dancing. Because if its what I think it looks like...

Decoy · Post by **Decoy** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:34 pm

Whoa :O

After month of not being online, I was pleasantly surprised by this vid.

The technicality of the vid swept me off my feet; I definitely would like to try something similar in the future.

I’m an easy to please guy, I love the song, love the footage and I damn well love the editing. This does it for me.

Anyways, off to watch it a few more times.

Awesome stuff Metro.

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:45 pm

Zarxrax wrote:
Metro wrote:If you want to see a cool add check out n e o then go to "works" and watch "VW golf GTI" I want to see if its possible to pull off something similar in one of my future amvs
HOLY %#$@
Please tell me thats 100% just an actor dancing. Because if its what I think it looks like...

It's actually 3 different dancers, including David 'Elsewhere' Bernal, with Gene Kelly's face on top of his.