The Decline and Fall of Rock & Roll, part I

Fall_Child42 · Post by **Fall_Child42** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:50 am

I'd have to say that just because, a certain genre is no longer in the mainstream. (what does the main stream know anyway?) doesn't mean it's dead.

if you dig a little you can still find bands that preform all types of rock. From the rediculous hair mettal and death metal, to good classic hardcore punk.

Music Like language never really dies it simply changes and evolves.

(you know as i type evolve I realize pokemon and digimon ruined that word.)

Unpronounceable_Symbol · Post by **Unpronounceable_Symbol** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:22 pm

Honestly I had not considered the UK angle of things. Here we got a couple electronic arists with mild success, but there from what I understand you got full-on explosions. Not to mention all the British rock bands that almost make it here but are impossibly successful at home (Travis, Kula Shaker, etc).

I like the idea of music styles entering a "dormant state" rather than clinical death, though. Underground music always has and always will encompass pretty much all styles, even the tremendously unpopular ones- or else we wouldn't have the Kaiser Chiefs and other post-punk revival bands today. Not to mention if the disco backlash had been international, we wouldn't have EBM as we know it today. [/tangent]

Covering rock, it would appear that it is commercially in decline, although there are some fantastic and important underground bands that should be reviving it soon, not to mention the waning success of Jet and the Darkness. Does anyone have any artists who they are championing for Next Big Rock Band? I've been mentioning the Hold Steady and the Rye Coalition an awful lot so I'll let someone else have a go. :p
I'd especially be interested in the UK side of things, I've never really been as connected to Britpop as I'd like to be.

)v(ajin Koji · Post by **)v(ajin Koji** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:37 pm

Unpronounceable_Symbol wrote:I'd especially be interested in the UK side of things, I've never really been as connected to Britpop as I'd like to be.

Then you'd be in luck (if you lived in the U.K.) because not only have Oasis release another (good) album, but Damon albarn, boosted from his success with "Gorillaz", has decided to reform Blur :¬ P

The thing is though, over this side of the pond it seems that everyone's having to look into the past for good music or at least music we want to listen to. I know that's very general but it is being shown in music coverage in the press too. All the time it's "Will Pink Floyd reform?!?!" "OMG THE ROLLING STONES ARE BACK!" and don't even get me started on U2.

So I think there is this feeling for classic rock to come back but at the same time, something new and different.

blakemann123 · Post by **blakemann123** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:05 pm

The original "rock n' roll" has died.
But there are many forms of rock (punk rock, hard rock, emo rock) which is still rock that is popular now

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:21 am

Yuri Shevchuk, BBC Interview, June 25 2005 wrote: Q: As I remember from the words of Grebenshikov: "rock-n-roll is dead, but I'm not yet". How close are these words to you? Is rock-n-roll dead or not? Do we need it, or just pop which fills everything everywhere?

Y.S.: Well, first of all, BG only translated these lines, but he didn't write them himself. I think those lines were sung by either Bob Dylan, or David Bowie... I don't know. Rock-n-roll isn't dead, why? We play, and BG raised this theme just as a provocation, and then everyone cried out and started pounding on their chest, that rock-n-roll is alive, and we're still proving that rock music is alive - as we understand it...

BBC: But everyone understands it differently?

Y.S.: Of course, absolutely. Every artist has to be unobjective, has to see everything from his own steeple, that's what makes him interesting for us. BG has his own wedding, I have my own funeral.

BBC: But the main thing is that it's not dead, yes?

Y.S.: Yes.

That's the bottom line from the horse's mouth for me

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:34 am

SOAD2k8 wrote:This is an argument that no one is going to win. Some people think that rock died with Nirvana, others some other time, others still say it's not dead (like me). It is a stupid argument. Something is only dead when it's forgotten IMO.

I agree. Rock is popular. To call something dead that is popular is confusing. Rock has died out, but then started growing again. I see rock songs on the top 5 on TRL. If that isn't a sign of popularity, then I don't know what is.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:36 am

blakemann123 wrote:The original "rock n' roll" has died.
But there are many forms of rock (punk rock, hard rock, emo rock) which is still rock that is popular now

That I could agree with.

moooooo · Post by **moooooo** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:42 pm

Otohiko wrote:
Yuri Shevchuk, BBC Interview, June 25 2005 wrote: Q: As I remember from the words of Grebenshikov: "rock-n-roll is dead, but I'm not yet". How close are these words to you? Is rock-n-roll dead or not? Do we need it, or just pop which fills everything everywhere?

Y.S.: Well, first of all, BG only translated these lines, but he didn't write them himself. I think those lines were sung by either Bob Dylan, or David Bowie... I don't know. Rock-n-roll isn't dead, why? We play, and BG raised this theme just as a provocation, and then everyone cried out and started pounding on their chest, that rock-n-roll is alive, and we're still proving that rock music is alive - as we understand it...

BBC: But everyone understands it differently?

Y.S.: Of course, absolutely. Every artist has to be unobjective, has to see everything from his own steeple, that's what makes him interesting for us. BG has his own wedding, I have my own funeral.

BBC: But the main thing is that it's not dead, yes?

Y.S.: Yes.
That's the bottom line from the horse's mouth for me

This basically said everything I could ever hope to come up with in terms of this thread. Amazing.

Not to say I haven't enjoyed this thread in some sense or not so far. I think it's a really thought provoking topic, but I can't imagine any of us coming up with a strict definition as to what rock is and what isnt, and then arguing based on that.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:54 am

Popular or mass-popular?

Another bit of the Russian perspective on it which I tend to agree with...

Yuri Shevchuk wrote:Russian Rock

They were burying rock, they were burying; clouds of ashes, piles of charcoal and dust. But he lay in the coffin, good and beautiful - not resembling a corpse at all...

They were burying rock, they were burying; teeth were aching from the cold wind. He picked at the black spectre's rags, and the newspapers with verdicts rotted. They were burying rock, they were burying; threw shit all over it and crucified it; stomped, separated, tore apart - vandalizing, cursed and howled. Burying it were the masters of sex-attack, half-literate pop-minstrels - they're all Mohammed Ali after a fight, lip-synching idiots and slits. Show-business paid all the expenses - professional crowbars and shovels - so that retards never go out of fashion, so that brains are always full of rags and cotton...

Inspired, they carried the coffin backwards; at the ceremony, sweetly drank and ate. Copulated, consumed tasty buns - they crawled up, they thought, all the way to the neck! They buried the revolution of sound, the reflection of light and freedom. Whoever didn't yet kick the fallen in the ear - sado-maso, but never sucked on pain. Of those willing, a line-up came out - in Russia, they always do funerals right. In death, I guess, we see more of an issue - as long as that life-blood flows out nicely.

Bite, demons, on the multi-colored cans; lick the skull of great optimism! Pray to your holes, pharisee-bastards - masters of the global show! And I don't care, about style, when it's slush - Hardcore, rap or something like that... you have to sing, like you breathe, not like squealing - so that the Russian frost crawls on the skin!

And in the morning, they came to enjoy; to exhume with chlorine and poison. They opened the coffin, and there - it was empty... and noone - not a worm, not an artist...

HELLO FROM THE OTHER SIDE!!!

((=++777L0NEW0LF777++=)) · Post by **((=++777L0NEW0LF777++=))** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:58 pm

Kurt Cobain was...and is still my hero.......so if your trying to make him seem like a drug addicted moron,i wont let it work.