What's with all the borderline pedophilia?

[Tails_Prower_Fairy]

Japanese society is extremely obsessive over subjects/things/actions that they consider forbidden. Porn itself is considered dirty and shameful, yet it sells like crazy and is easily accesible.

No, Japanese society is different. Meanwhile you have 3 years old on your USA sucking your finger they are surfing on internet , no joke I watched in a Documental TV Program here and a kid with 3 years old was surfing on the web very easy.

So i think if they grow up fast I dont surprise about teens with 12 years or less already lose their virginities for theirselfs. And none can be "Jesus" for say it is wrong or not. I mean they are differents and we must respect them as they respect us believing that is for an older. Here in Uruguay we are like USA culture in that topic too, you must wait to 18 if you want something, (I am 23 years old and I still virgin yeah...) but too much teens have relations hidden from the world.

My point is we are differents cultures meanwhile we surprise about a teen on Japan with 12 years old having relations the arabians get surprise about us kissing our couple on her/his lips before get marriage. And for us it is a simple kiss, but for the arabians you must be married for do that and the women must use special cloth for cover their faces. It is an example I put there for you understand about are just differents countries. And I am talking to everyone here.

[Takamizuna]

Traditionaly, the Japanese ideal of beauty has been a flat body, childlike ignorance, and women being little more than grown children. While this has been met with modern ideals (leading to extremely well endowed teenage girls in some anime) the ideal of a childlike lover remains from the old argricultural society of pre-war Japan. Remember, after 1945, the nation essentialy jumped from a primarily agricultural society to a primarily industrial society. Without taking the time that the west did to make such a transition, and without the natural transition, some old tradiations reguarding children that the west ridded themselves of (child marriage, child labor, the perception of children as simply minature adults which lasted from the middle ages till around the late 1800's). To proclaim anouther society as "wrong" reeks of ethnocentrism. You can disagree with it, you can proclaim that it wouldn't be worth taking into your own society, but claiming that it's wrong with your own moral code is about as worthwhile as me applying the morality of the Byzantine empire to modern America to determine what should be legal and illegal. We can state it as a fact, we can state it's origin, but it is up to that culture to decide wether or not they belive it's moral or immoral. This said, If you think Eva is bad, check out World of Narue, I can't watch it while sober, because then I realize that it's not trying to make fun of itself.

[Tails_Prower_Fairy]

I agree

[doughboy]

Japanese society is extremely obsessive over subjects/things/actions that they consider forbidden. Porn itself is considered dirty and shameful, yet it sells like crazy and is easily accesible.

No, Japanese society is different. Meanwhile you have 3 years old on your USA sucking your finger they are surfing on internet , no joke I watched in a Documental TV Program here and a kid with 3 years old was surfing on the web very easy.

So i think if they grow up fast I dont surprise about teens with 12 years or less already lose their virginities for theirselfs. And none can be "Jesus" for say it is wrong or not. I mean they are differents and we must respect them as they respect us believing that is for an older. Here in Uruguay we are like USA culture in that topic too, you must wait to 18 if you want something, (I am 23 years old and I still virgin yeah...) but too much teens have relations hidden from the world.

My point is we are differents cultures meanwhile we surprise about a teen on Japan with 12 years old having relations the arabians get surprise about us kissing our couple on her/his lips before get marriage. And for us it is a simple kiss, but for the arabians you must be married for do that and the women must use special cloth for cover their faces. It is an example I put there for you understand about are just differents countries. And I am talking to everyone here.

Your post had absolutely nothing to do with mine.

[O-Kagachi]

I really don't care for Loli shows, and borderline hentai loli shows that much. But the fact is, It's animation, however good it may be. It's still wrong, but think of it this way: Would you prefer a pedophilia loving freak getting off to a 12 year old anime character, or your 12 year old daughter? I think the answer is VERY apparent. I say you give the freaks what they want, so that they'll leave the real little girls alone.

[hypes]

I must have seen this topic pop up three or four times in the last month and a half...

[Isenfolme]

Before everyone starts getting wound up and words like "right" and "wrong" start getting thrown around too much, take a deep breath and remember that this thread isn't about whether such shows should be allowed, but rather about where these shows spring from. Whether or not we agree with the existence of this "borderline paedophilia", as the thread-starter called it, we can't deny that this trend exists in anime, and it's interesting to discuss why such a trend might exist.

Thus far in this thread no one has passed any judgement on Japanese culture - all they've done is to suggest that the lolicon trend most likely arises from that culture in particular. Don't let's make this about "rightness", because that way lies flame wars... (and perhaps madness also...)

[O-Kagachi]

It's not about "Right" or "Wrong" but more along the lines of what's "Ethical." Let the pedos have their anime. I just better not catch them touching a real little girl or I may castrate them on the spot. Some people may disagree with these shows, mostly parents. But as I've stated before, it's better than the pedos satisfying their desires on REAL little girls.

[Heero_Yuy84]

It's funny, recently the debate DID come up over the animation-real life line getting blurred...a month or two back, in Japan, a lolicon magazine took a cue from ADV's marketing department... ...offering a promotion of a pair of panties designed to fit a little girl...

Suffice to say, this raised concerns that they were promoting, albeit inadvertently, going beyond just drawings.

[madbunny]

I think Sarah has the right of it here.

The age of consent in Japan is considerably lower than it is here. Although I understand that circumstances are changing in that area.
http://ageofconsent.com/japan.htm
As you can see it's 16/18, with some odd variations on statutory rape.

For the full list of countries:
http://ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm


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It goes like this:
Anime, at least the mainstream anime is targeted toward a certain demographic, mainly teenagers and young adults.

People always want what they can't have. In school, lots of guys lust after the cheerleaders, but obviously most can't have them. I'm pretty sure there is a thriving market for cheerleaders in the porn biz. We can assume that in Japanese society, lots of boys lust after the beautiful pure girls. Obviously, most are not going to get what they are wanting. Along comes anime, which panders nicely to this little fantasy. Usually with an average but nice guy who suddenly discovers something special about himself, and all the A-list girls suddenly want him.

It's no stretch of the imagination for young adults to wish they had "this" or "that" while they were in school. Remember the cheerleader analogy? The same applies.

So why does anime have so much 'little girl blossiming into womanhood' stuff? Simple, it's what people want to see.
Ala:Ai Yori Aoshi, Mai Hime, Love Hina, Stellvia, Chobits, and uh... more. I was going to look through my list, but I realized I don't actually have much.