Does people knowing the background history of your video...

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:08 pm

effect your score? I'm asking this because of specific stats I kept track of. I had this one video I made and it had 4 stars out of 16 reviews.. and then one day I explained I worked 4 hours on it and it went down to a 3 in one day. Now that I have took off the information on the video info page about it taking 4 hours the score has been going up. Some of the best videos I've seen on this site that have not so good ratings I wonder why but a lot of the time I think it's because of the time spent on the video. It seems when the audience knows that a lot of time has been spent on a video that they look at it differently. I think that's odd.. I know of people who could do an awesome drawing in minutes while with someone else it would take a day to make anything even half as good looking.. I kinda look at AMVs the same way.. I don't think the quality is always the time you spent on a video. Some just have it better when it comes to visualizing how they want there amv to be and how they're going to go about making it. Just my opinion.

What are your thoughts on this and are do you ever get prepossessed before watching a video based on how much time has been spent on it? I know if it's like only two hours or something I can understand why you would be suspicious of the video sucking but I find it funny when someone has made a better video in 2 hours than someone who has spent a week on a video. It happens believe it or not.

CHAMELEON_D_H · Post by **CHAMELEON_D_H** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:20 pm

Good AMVs are good AMVs, it's the results that counts, not the time spent. If people can produce amazing things in matter of hours, good for them.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:29 pm

Unless I knew the editor, I wouldn't downolad the video in the first place. If I did download the video, nothing in that blurb someone made will make an iota of diference in how I score it.

That aside; how people judge time is a completely random thing. I think you should state clipping and cleaning time as well as editing time if you're going to drop numbers, because in that time you are, more often that not, planning something that you can throw together later on during that time. Unless it's for a contest, I highly doubt someone can throw something decent together in a short amount of time (less than 5 hours) and impress me. I may be wrong, but the chance of someone that can do that not being at the top of the game (and thus above my standards) is so damn small as to be effectivly zero.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:35 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Unless I knew the editor, I wouldn't downolad the video in the first place. If I did download the video, nothing in that blurb someone made will make an iota of diference in how I score it.

That aside; how people judge time is a completely random thing. I think you should state clipping and cleaning time as well as editing time if you're going to drop numbers, because in that time you are, more often that not, planning something that you can throw together later on during that time. Unless it's for a contest, I highly doubt someone can throw something decent together in a short amount of time (less than 5 hours) and impress me. I may be wrong, but the chance of someone that can do that not being at the top of the game (and thus above my standards) is so damn small as to be effectivly zero.

I have two examples..

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=13685
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=102746

better than a lot of shit out there. You find these golden gems with an open mind.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:44 pm

Sorry the first one does not have a download link in it.. so heres a direct link..

Kusoyaro - Neverending Story

Qyot27 · Post by **Qyot27** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:54 pm

x_rex30 wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:Unless I knew the editor, I wouldn't downolad the video in the first place. If I did download the video, nothing in that blurb someone made will make an iota of diference in how I score it.

That aside; how people judge time is a completely random thing. I think you should state clipping and cleaning time as well as editing time if you're going to drop numbers, because in that time you are, more often that not, planning something that you can throw together later on during that time. Unless it's for a contest, I highly doubt someone can throw something decent together in a short amount of time (less than 5 hours) and impress me. I may be wrong, but the chance of someone that can do that not being at the top of the game (and thus above my standards) is so damn small as to be effectivly zero.
I have two examples..

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=13685
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=102746

better than a lot of shit out there. You find these golden gems with an open mind.

Well yeah, that's kinda the point of Iron Chef contests. There are a lot of good videos that come from those contents, because time limits are imposed. It's also usually top-tier editors that participate. Non-super-short, non-IC videos that were made in a matter of hours still depend on the editor and how proficient they are with the editing system being used.

Eh, I never paid enough attention (and don't really care enough) to differences in score between when I say how long it took or not. Let the people think what they want to. I mean, star ratings and even the majority of opinion scores people get are pretty much arbitrary anyway.

Cornwiggle · Post by **Cornwiggle** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:23 pm

I can make my videos pretty quickly and I'm happy with them. I think that if you think it matters and you didn't spend a lot of time on them don't mention how long it took. It isn't important anyway.

Kisanzi · Post by **Kisanzi** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:32 pm

Yeah, it's not really a good point to use IC vids or MEP tracks as examples. With those the editors are mostly concentrated on making it look really good without alot of thought going towards story or significance.

But being on-topic, when I see a vid that was made in like 4 hours I only think that even if the concept is good, that the editor wasn't challenging themselves to improve or stand out. Generally when I make an AMV I spend a significant amount of time attempting new ideas and techniques that I wanted to try or use. So it generally takes some time because I'm learning and improving as I edit rather than just tacking scenes together for 3 minutes of music. Nothing against that style of editing, but its hard to challenge yourself and learn when you take such a small amount of time on each project.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:56 pm

Quickie vids have a drop in the effort score in my reviews, unless I'm stunned by how much the editor managed to do in that short amount of time. Generally, if an editor can make a great vid in an hour, it's easy for him, so it doesn't take much effort. I wouldn't pat a genius on the back for doing something that comes easy to him. I define effort as how hard you try, so if the creator is honest in saying he didn't try at all (since he's so good he doesn't need to try), I'm going to score him accordingly.

Personally, I like it better when they don't they made a wonderful vid in an hour or two. That way I can score the effort by comparing the vid to others I've seen. It also helps me avoid people who lie about the absurd amount of months and years that went into a video (when, if they added the actual hours of work, it was probably a 30hr project and not a 7,000+hr project). Unless it's an iron chef, where you compare it to other iron chef vids and disregard the time spent, since that's the point of the video, I don't want to know how quickly (read: easily) the video was made. I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt, an A for effort, than have to guess if the person is lying or bragging or just keeping a record for himself.

The amount of time it took to make a vid doesn't affect my star score unless it's clear that the person could have put a lot more time into it. Subtitles, for example, show he could have put in another ten minutes or so to make the vid a little easier on the eyes. Stuff like that affect the star score. But then, subtitles and obvious lazy mistakes affect the score even if the creator doesn't brag/admit having made the vid in an hour or two.

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But maybe I'm wrong to think quick equals easy due to experience or natural talent. Anyone here play speed chess or speed go? For games like that it's extremely difficult to perform under time constraints, even with the advantage of natural talent/experience. Maybe we should look at editing as a race and reward those who finish the fastest with satisfactory results. Even if that's true, there's still no way to tell if the creator is lying unless you were with him during those hours (excluding Iron Chef). >.<

Ladymercury · Post by **Ladymercury** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:59 pm

If I know the studio, majority of times I will not look at the information (MTT, 40 Dollar Productions, Dokidoki, etc) because in most cases, its gonna be a good AMV.

If I don't know the video, I'll read the information behind to video to see if its worth 50 megs of my HD space... and if its in WMV I avoid the video at all costs.