Naruto never sounds serious when he is supposed to be

[SarahtheBoring]

Wow how odd.. I already do that. I avoid the dub.

OK, then, your torment is over, isn't it.

I'm serious when I say "watch the sub, problem solved." Because at that point, it ceases to affect you personally. Does it bother you that somewhere, out there, things exist that you don't like? If so, please get out more.

[Otohiko]

I may point out the fact that the criticism is probably fair. I'd had similar experiences with subs.

Within reasonable limits, I don't think criticizing dubs should be somehow a bad discussion, if done well as in this case. And though I haven't seen the Naruto dub, I'm inclined to believe that for a set of reasons, there are many dubs and voice actors where the quality of voicework doesn't quite match up.

Not watching dub is a personal solution, not a refutation of criticism against it.

[x_rex30]

Does it bother you that somewhere, out there, things exist that you don't like?

No.. it bothers me that it seems I can't discuss what I don't like. I think this focuses on the main aspect on the show so I don't know where I went wrong in posting this.. what I say goes against what people have saying and I think it shows with this comment I got from someone at a naruto forum that disscusses the english dub..

[x_rex30]

... damn pushed submit button..

There! Finnaly someone with half a brain. I was starting to loose hope in the English Discussion section. I totally agree. True, Naruto is supposed to be annoying but Maile Flannigan voices it so that he is TOO anoying. At this point she is so annoying she is completly unable to express the intense emotions the character is supposed to be going through. You loose that emotional tie to the characters and the scenes. In the fights that are supposed to be dramatic you can't take it seriously because she can't seem to tune the 'annoying factor' down in the least.

It goes against what 90 percent of what dub fans have been saying on the big naruto forums out there so I thought it would be good to make a thread like this just for some honest feedback on what I said.. getting there feedback to tell me I'm wrong or getting people to agree with me and tell me some of there thoughts on what I said is what I was looking for.. not what I've gotten so far mainly in this thread. Discussing what you don't like is not a problem especially if it's about one of your favorite shows... i think..

[MovieMarc]

... damn pushed submit button..

There! Finnaly someone with half a brain. I was starting to loose hope in the English Discussion section. I totally agree. True, Naruto is supposed to be annoying but Maile Flannigan voices it so that he is TOO anoying. At this point she is so annoying she is completly unable to express the intense emotions the character is supposed to be going through. You loose that emotional tie to the characters and the scenes. In the fights that are supposed to be dramatic you can't take it seriously because she can't seem to tune the 'annoying factor' down in the least.

It goes against what 90 percent of what dub fans have been saying on the big naruto forums out there so I thought it would be good to make a thread like this just for some honest feedback on what I said.. getting there feedback to tell me I'm wrong or getting people to agree with me and tell me some of there thoughts on what I said is what I was looking for.. not what I've gotten so far mainly in this thread. Discussing what you don't like is not a problem especially if it's about one of your favorite shows... i think..

Well-

A: This isnt a big naruto Forum, Its the a-m-v.org forum.

2: You probably wouldve gotten a better response if you started this topic in the naruto thread of Anime Specific discussions.

and

D: The manga is better than the anime anyways, so the correct solution would be to stop watching the anime with its terrible photoshop effects and endless flashbacks and start reading the manga which is already up to chapter 304.

[Yok/0]

<<<<<My penguin is not amused with this topic of coversation.

My Penguin is very displeased.

[Lyrs]

But a lot of kids don't like reading, they're watching TV so they don't have to read.

O rly? Give a kid a pack of Marvel comics or for that fact, a manga. I've never seen kids stay still for so long and I have a TON of cousins.

Subs would undoubtedly lower the viewer count as opposed to raise it, so why would anyone do that?

Business = $money
Let's consider prices:

Both have the same licenses.
Both need translators.
Dubs needs a group of people for voice acting.
Subs needs 1 person to type out the script (and possibly 1 person to check to subs).
Dubs need a music/sound studio.
Subs needs a computer and possibly pen and paper.

Where does it cost more?

Okay, now let's look at the kids. First off, "kids" anime is appealing to kids (colors, facial designs, and stories)(duh!). Kids will watch anime simply for the action and interactions if need be. However, if you also provide them words to read, they'd stay glued to the TV just as much as with a manga, if not more. If you watch with them, you could also answer their questions about words and meanings. Even if you aren't, they will puzzle out the meaning by syntax and expression. Trust me, I deal with kids everyday and no matter how stupid they can act sometimes, they happen to be smart when they are motivated.

If people don't like the english voice, watch it subbed.

First things first, not all people know how to download anime over the internet/web. A bad dub could destroy a great story.

For example, an acquintance of mine told me that the NGE movies were horrible. She was constantly being distracted by the voicing and disconnect between the emotions on screen and those in the voice.

I had no clue what she was talking about at first. I thought those two movies were right on with the normal standards of the series. She had a bad experience with the movies, I didn't.

There are very few instances nowadays where you have to choose.

I'd like to teach every kid in the U.S. and else where how to download anime of the web, but I'm afriad my bandwith would suffer.

Simply don't watch the dub.

"Don't watch anime." Above.

Problem solved. Read manga, nobody ever complains about annoying manga voices.

I would but you'd think I'm crazy. sssssh, did you hear that? SHUT UP! SHUT UP! STOP TALKING INSIDE OF MY HEAD! GIT OUT! GIT!

[Malificus]

But a lot of kids don't like reading, they're watching TV so they don't have to read.

O rly? Give a kid a pack of Marvel comics or for that fact, a manga. I've never seen kids stay still for so long and I have a TON of cousins.

I know a lot of kids who love reading books and comics. I also know a lot who don't read comics, they will if you give them one, but given the choice between some comics which would last them a while and a movie that won't, they take the movie. I know kids who hate subtitles. They won't touch them. I know kids who like subs too. By giving them aq dub, you get both groups, while a sub only gets one.

Subs would undoubtedly lower the viewer count as opposed to raise it, so why would anyone do that?

Business = $money
Let's consider prices:

Both have the same licenses.
Both need translators.
Dubs needs a group of people for voice acting.
Subs needs 1 person to type out the script (and possibly 1 person to check to subs).
Dubs need a music/sound studio.
Subs needs a computer and possibly pen and paper.

Where does it cost more?

I never said it'd cost more. I said it would bring in less money by deterring people who don't like subs. Those who don't like subs would just watch something else. Showing subbed anime might bring some people into liking subs, but probably not enough to make up for the loss.

If people don't like the english voice, watch it subbed.

First things first, not all people know how to download anime over the internet/web.

When did I say anything about downloading? With anime as cheap as it is, buying it isn't a big deal.

There are very few instances nowadays where you have to choose.

I'd like to teach every kid in the U.S. and else where how to download anime of the web, but I'm afriad my bandwith would suffer.

I'd rather try to get every kid into purchasing anime instead, so they could actually support the market, and maybe learn to experiment more and try new stuff.

Problem solved. Read manga, nobody ever complains about annoying manga voices.

I would but you'd think I'm crazy. sssssh, did you hear that? SHUT UP! SHUT UP! STOP TALKING INSIDE OF MY HEAD! GIT OUT! GIT!

OK, now you're just arguing for the sake of it.

[Lyrs]

I know a lot of kids who love reading books and comics. I also know a lot who don't read comics, they will if you give them one, but given the choice between some comics which would last them a while and a movie that won't, they take the movie. I know kids who hate subtitles. They won't touch them. I know kids who like subs too. By giving them aq dub, you get both groups, while a sub only gets one.

Different crowds it is then.

I never said it'd cost more. I said it would bring in less money by deterring people who don't like subs. Those who don't like subs would just watch something else. Showing subbed anime might bring some people into liking subs, but probably not enough to make up for the loss.

I am talking about the net income (bottom line), which happens to be more important than simply the income.

When did I say anything about downloading? With anime as cheap as it is, buying it isn't a big deal.

Given today's dvd technology, sure you can have both dubs and subs, so you could buy it. However, in the case of anime such as Naruto, One piece, Shaman King, and other currently popular anime, it's fairly difficult to find a set of episodes at your local wal-mart or target or whatever. Also, since these are kids, they won't have the credit card/money to use online sites to order anime. Furthermore, their parents likely won't think it's worth it.

But back to your main point, it's hard to find a subbed format if you're a kid and your sources of anime is fox, cn, and what ever other channel.

I'd rather try to get every kid into purchasing anime instead, so they could actually support the market, and maybe learn to experiment more and try new stuff.

Hey, I wish it was that perfect a world.

OK, now you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Ah, but we must consider the technicalities, or if not, at least have a little fun. Well, I'm having fun. You?

[Yunacat]

If you don't like the dub, watch the sub, and if you can't get a hold of the sub, then read the manga (it's everywhere on the net and a few places are out there you don't have to download from). The manga IS way better than the anime, but that's how it is in most cases in anime *has read to chapter 304*

I don't hate the dub. I think that alot of it was done pretty well. You can't always look at one character for the entire show ya know. Especially considering how much focus is put on alot of the other characters, especially Sasuke. On that, i think that Sasuke's dubbed voice suits him well (and his VA can actually pronounce some things correctly!), and Anko, Shikamaru, Hinata, and alot of other character's voices suit them as well. I don't like Naruto's voice, but i'll easily agree that, by the point of Orochimaru's first appearance, it has definately gotten better, and hopefully, it'll continue to get better.