points and problems with Bleach

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Post by AthenAltena » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:34 am

Toecutter wrote:What I don't get about Bleach, though, is why Soul Society has been supported for so long without a major revolution? You're dealing with a group of beings that do not hesitate to kill one of their own, but are so dense they can't realize when their own government has been overthrown by a bloody coup!

That kind of organization doesn't even last that long on Earth, so how would it possibly function with all the red tape and paperwork they have to file as depicted in the series?
I personally think that aspect of it is supposed to be political commentary on the author's part. In the early part of Japan's democracy it was not working well at all, and some of what happens in Soul Society seems to reflect that. I think in terms of Soul Society having these people who "should be in hell" I think it's a combination of both irony and maybe a point about people. For instance, Zaraki is a pretty vicious guy, but he also rescued a little girl (Yachiru) and has raised her. So maybe most of the people who seem bad have some sort of redeeming quality, or that they simply starting acting that way after they got to Soul Society.

As for the "Hell" depicted in the series, in most Asian religions Hell is only for the absolute lowest of the low with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. It takes work to get into Hell in those religions. Buddhism, for instance, believes in reincarnation as a way of correcting past mistakes, and from the system discussed in Bleach seems to indicate that there's some form of reincarnation, as they talked about the Quincys "disrupting the flow of souls back and forth" from Earth to Soul Society, seeming to indicate some sort of reincarnation system. Just my two cents on how it works, but might be helpful.
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Post by o_0Gaara » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:05 am

erm yah i agree with all of you alittle i think but personaly i think that the world can be whatever they want it to be i doesnt have to be perfect or even close to perfect because it is just a little cartoon... erm let me see here you all know scooby-doo well yah the hole store was kinda stupid and didnt make alot of since but we (well i did) still loved the show alot and well i think you are kind over exagerating just alittle because there not even on earth well they are but not really in a way there are no S. repers here and there never will be so actually the hole world that they are in is just fake and totaly made up...


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Re: points and problems with Bleach

Post by madbunny » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:31 am

Shouldn't this be in 'anime series discussion'?


hypes wrote:O.K, so her'es probably overthinking the series a bit,
Yes, you are massively overanalyzing it. Otaku-ness is strong.
Point 1: How does the immortal soul die? Where does it go when your in soul society?Does it respawn in Soul Society or does it simply not exist anymore?
Gone, poof. Or possibly not. the concept isn't really covered well. You might just want to think of Soul Society as another dimention that is connected to the normal one. The shinigami are caretakers of a 'balance' more than anything else. So for example with the Quincy: they destroyed the hollows rather than 'releasing' them, disrupting the balance of er... recycling. Otherwise it's not really covered in the show.
Point 2: Soul Society as Heaven and the existance of Hell. We know Hell exists because it appears in the cursed cockatiel episode and eats the serial killer Hollow. Then what are thieves, murderers, and rapists doing in Soul Society (Rukia and or Rengi mention this in their oh so many flashbacks)? What is the scientist captain and Kenpachi doing in Soul Society, as both of them have murdered or tortured thousands of individuals? In fact, what are most of the Death God captains doing there at all? It would seem most of the people in the Court of Pure Souls and/or Rokungai (or whatever its called) should be in Hell.
Soul society is not heaven, the hollow place is not hell. it is just one place or another. You can think of it as the 'state of mind' when a person dies,determining whether or not the hollow nature takes over. The cursed cockatiel episode was a fiction created by a hollow to torture the boy.
Point 3: Who are saving the dead from the Hollows during the Save Rukia
campaign?
As pointed out by Rukia, most of the time it's a pretty automatic process when people die. You can assume that there are some squads still on patrol in the 'real' world otherwise.
Point 4: Soul Society being feudal Japan.
Soul Society is not feudal japan. During the rescue mission I believe that it is explained the Soul Society is vast, and that most people never find the others that they knew in life even after centuries of looking. I would assume that societies simply formed up around niche cultures. Obviously the level of tech that is shown is low, thus fuedal japan is perfectly reasonable for people from japan to accept. Plus the show is aimed at a japanese audience, or maybe Americans, Mayans, Mexicans, Canadians, Africans et all dont' have souls. It's a cartoon.
Point 5: Death Gods as sword swinging samurai? Death Gods pretty much equate to the grim reaper(s).
The Shinigami are not the grim reaper. They are Shinigami. It's a specific thing, much like the easter bunny is not Jesus reborn. Nobody looks at a cross and wonders why there isn't a bunny rabbit on it. Plus.. again, the show is aimed at a Japanese audience.

Point 6: Where is God? He exists, evidence in the incantations used
in demon magic lines. But What is demon magic? If used be demons, shouldnt it be used by demons in hell? Shouldnt Death gods be using heavenly magic?
Maybe there is another dimension beyond the Soul Society? Obviously there are others available (hence the whole save rukia and run around in the city arc). I would assume 'god' magic and 'demon' magic to be broken down along the standard good/bad magic categories, with no major moral lines drawn.

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Post by Rurounikeitaro » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:56 pm

hypes wrote:O.K, so her'es probably overthinking the series a bit, but I'm on episode 61 (first part of show good. After rukia left, bad), and there's a few points I'd like to point out, mainly for discussion.
I didn't read anything but this. After Rukia left.....THAT'S WHERE THE SHOW BECAME POPULAR!!

If it sucked then why is it that soooo many people loved this arc? Make sure you say something and write "imo" at the end of it next time.
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Post by riozaki » Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:29 am

Actually...... i think that this discussion is really confusing...
hypes.... how can you you be very observant and do you really need to ask those many many questions???

well.... actually, i cant forgive you for being so stubborn and criticizing bleach like that.......... but oh well.... in this forum we express our feelings...

actually, the reason why the shinigami have bloods and other living organs is because they are humans first and not totally soul..... just like the bounds....... they also have the blood ang the organs because it is artists way of expressing VIOLENCE


8-) sorry for quite yelling...... :oops: :oops:
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Re: points and problems with Bleach

Post by Koi Kaze » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:31 am

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I didn't read anything but this. After Rukia left.....THAT'S WHERE THE SHOW BECAME POPULAR!!

If it sucked then why is it that soooo many people loved this arc? Make sure you say something and write "imo" at the end of it next time.[/quote]

Why should he say "IMO"? He's not gonna be spouting on about some other chumps opinions? It seems ridiculous... it's like saying "IMO i like things that are fluffy..." well of course it's your opinion.
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Re: points and problems with Bleach

Post by Koi Kaze » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:33 am

Koi Kaze wrote:
I didn't read anything but this. After Rukia left.....THAT'S WHERE THE SHOW BECAME POPULAR!!

If it sucked then why is it that soooo many people loved this arc? Make sure you say something and write "imo" at the end of it next time.[/quote]

Why should he say "IMO"? He's not gonna be spouting on about some other chumps opinions? It seems ridiculous... it's like saying "IMO i like things that are fluffy..." well of course it's your opinion.[/quote]


sorry that was really off topic, I agree your points and problems... although i also agree that this is think9ing a bit too much into it... I don't try to analyse anime i try to enjoy, and if i dont then i dont watch it.
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Post by hikage-sama » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:35 pm

Without bloody fighting scene bleach wouldn't have been the same at ! That explain the blood LoL.

For the who's figthing the Hallows during Save rukia campaign. Latter in the anime we see a No body Shinigami in the real world . If i remember well that the only time we see him

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