AMV Editing: A Postmodernist art movement?

[Otohiko]

That's sort of cynical, even. I think you're coming from a 'utilitarian' perspective on art. Even my normally-cynical "guru" Robert Fripp doesn't go that far - he just distinguishes 3 levels of artistic activities on the capitalist level:

Level 1 - creating something massively popular and making a lot of money from it
Level 2 - creating something modestly popular and making enough money to get by
Level 3 - making something that isn't enough to live on, but still making it

I think we're clearly in the 3rd category. Art is not definied by its economic activity, even if you assume that most AMVs are not art as such.

Anyway, at least connecting art DIRECTLY to making money is a bit offensive to me personally

[Arigatomina]

Anyway, at least connecting art DIRECTLY to making money is a bit offensive to me personally

Sorry. ^_^ I dislike art debates because no one talks about art unless it sold somewhere and enough people bought it (or paid tourist fees to go see it) for it to be well known. It's not art until it's found, right? And 'found' in every art/literature class I've taken was defined as "purchased". I almost see 'that's art' like an insult - because when I switched majors that entire department stood on the 'you're not an artist till you're good enough to sell what you make' theory. I'd rather be a non-for-profit hobbyist who happens to be a little creative, than be an artist (artist by *that* definition).

I don't get enough exposure to non-for-profit artists to be anything but jaded about the entire subject. Fanart is close, but even they're selling their work now. Fanfiction, too, they just change the names and pretend they're original. Amvs are safe for the time being, so I don't want to put them in the art!money debate.

Amvs as a non-for-monetary-profit form of expression, definitely. But not art as in something you pay money to go see in a museum or a gallery.

[Otohiko]

Well I think this just highlights the key issue here. Few of us probably agree in terms of what art actually is. And probably fewer of us actually have a straightforward definition for it. I don't think I do, even.

What I do think is that it's probably a bit too simplistic to define art on one plane. Not all of what is called 'art' even has a product. There's a whole spectrum of things in art starting with ideas and connections to the outside world, and going through the creative process to (possibly a product), which goes to an audience, which may or may not have practical application. My own defining moment of art probably gravitates closer to 'conceptual connections to the outside world' and 'audience' rather than application.

What is true, I think, is that AMVs are no more art than a picture on a wall is art. A picture is a representation which doesn't mean anything without someone looking at it and connecting it to something/someone/somwhere else.

Anyway, bah.

[Prodigi]

I hate spending 7 hours a day at an institution of education, covering the arts, media, and literature, only to come home and find my favourite hobby plagued with unneccessary insights into the workings of something that should strictly be fun.

[godix]

Well I think this just highlights the key issue here. Few of us probably agree in terms of what art actually is. And probably fewer of us actually have a straightforward definition for it. I don't think I do, even.

That's because people keep trying to define the term 'art' to not include bad art or to hide the fact that at one point or another almost everyone in the world is an artist. Some people just can't deal with the fact that a four year old drawing a stick figure picture of a priest diddling him is as much an artist as Michelangelo, although of course he's a much worse artist as well. Once value judgements are included in the definition, no matter how clever people try to hide that they are value judgements, everything goes to hell since most people have different tastes. Art is anything designed for a reason that isn't strictly utilitarian. Any definition stricter than that will inevitably leave out some famous person that almost everyone would agree was an artist.

[JaddziaDax]

am i the only one who gets ammused when people try to assign deeper reasoning behind some of the effects i do?

when what it really came down to in the end was "i wanted to try it, and it looks pretty O.o"

[JudgeHolden]

am i the only one who gets ammused when people try to assign deeper reasoning behind some of the effects i do?

when what it really came down to in the end was "i wanted to try it, and it looks pretty O.o"

I was writing a Thesis on them ..... Damn you women!

[iamfanboy]

am i the only one who gets ammused when people try to assign deeper reasoning behind some of the effects i do?

when what it really came down to in the end was "i wanted to try it, and it looks pretty O.o"

...No, not really; so am I.

Intelligensia is a word I can barely say without laughing out loud, let alone take part in seriously.

Try it three times fast! Intelligensia! Intellisengia! Inlettinegsia!

And the best art is made just because someone wanted it to 'look pretty', and the WORST art is made because "I wanted to explain how the justification of the male imperative has desecrated the female genitalia and..."

Good art explains itself, it doesn't need the artist to be standing beside the artwork explaining it over and over for the benefit of everyone who 'doesn't get it.'

And THAT is a definition that can stand for all time.


I made this thread to have a look-see at the brains-end of the forum; you shouldn't judge a forum just by the people barely literate enough to say "Go away n00b" after all!

And I like it here. Think I'm staying for a while. Quick comments like

# 2006-10-24 16:32:41If AMVs were the art world you would be the guy who takes a huge heaping shit in a bucket, calls it performance art, then wonders why not everyone instantly worships him as an artistic god. It's interesting to note that for all your babbling about postmodern and other crap that in the end you're no more talanted than autistic mongoloid randomly pounding on the keyboard. Except the retarded fucker usually can hit the beat better than you can.

sound more pretentious and arrogantly self-righteous than I could be even if I jammed a stick so far up my ass it scratched the roof of my mouth when I talked.

And I have enough troll's blood in me to get far more amused than upset when people actually fail to read the disclaimer at the bottom of my posts and take me seriously. You must have some extremely thin-skinned fourteen year olds coming here if this is the best you can do to send them off in tears...

[Otohiko]

Intelligensia is a word I can barely say without laughing out loud, let alone take part in seriously.

Hey! Some of us were [un]fortunate enough to be raised as members of this strange but really-existing social class

[iamfanboy]

Intelligensia is a word I can barely say without laughing out loud, let alone take part in seriously.

Hey! Some of us were [un]fortunate enough to be raised as members of this strange but really-existing social class

You poor, poor victim. I feel true sympathy for you; I know the damage that being raised as a soi-disant 'intellectual' can inflict on one's ability to actually live in the real world.

Not personally, mind you; my parents were dirt-poor and I went to public school all my life until I decided to drop out halfway through my senior year, got my GED, and do something useful with my life - like sell four years of it to the government so I could go to college. ^_^ Thankfully THAT'S done with.