Inseting footage into a black frame... is it possible?

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Post by Minion » Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:38 pm

you want the video shrunk down, and put on a black boarder-which would be the size of the video before it was shrunk.
correct?
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Post by DJ_Izumi » Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:59 pm

Point still stands, a projector should NOT have an issue with overscan and title save. It's a projector it should be showing the entire signal it's reciving from the DVD player.

I wonder if he's doing something to screw up the DVDs in the first place, there the encoder messed them up and they're cut off there and the projector and DVD player are behaving correctly.
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Post by boxcm » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:24 am

Minion wrote:you want the video shrunk down, and put on a black boarder-which would be the size of the video before it was shrunk.
correct?
That is correct

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Post by Psygnius » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:13 am

When you display fansubs on a normal bubble TV, there is the issue of the view-safe area. However, when you watch the same fansub on your computer it should be fine because there is no such thing as a "safe area" on your computer.

If you've burnt some of your fansubs to DVD, and watched them on your DVD, they should the tails of "p"s, "q"s, or anything like that are chopped off right? Well, if you put the same DVD into your computer and watch it, it should be fine without any chopped off letters.

When you display your fansubs onto a white screen using a projector, it should work like the computer, since it is not like a bubble screen TV. You should be able to adjust the projector to fit the video properly within the screen and without chopping off any letters.

Projectors are like computer monitors. It has a ton of adjustment buttons that allow you to adjust to the proper size and resolution. You just need to play around with the projector until it works for you.

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Post by boxcm » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:03 am

We can try adjusting the projectors again but we play the DVDs via a DVD player and not a computer because of the setup in the rooms. Could it be a player issue as well?

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Post by Willen » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:05 am

Depending on the projector and how you have the equipment hooked up to it, it may or may not do overscan on your video. The DVD player will have almost nothing to do with overscan on the video aside from outputting an overscannable signal.

For data projectors (like those used for Powerpoint presentations) with VGA (RGB DB15) inputs hooked up to a computer's monitor output, there should be NO overscan.

Video/data projectors with standard A/V inputs receiving a signal from a DVD player will overscan video to a certain extent so your subs will be cut off. You may wish to delve into its setup menu to see if you can turn off or at least reduce the overscan.

On most standard TV sets, overscan is a near certainty. A few sets will allow you to adjust or eliminate the overscan (some high-end equipement and any good broadcast CRT monitor have this option), but the majority don't.

Since overscan on TV sets can range from about 5% to 10%, and some fansubbed anime have the subs placed very near to the edge of the picture, you may wish to play it safe. I use TMPGEnc for encoding fansubs to MPEG-2 which eventually go to my DVD authoring program. You can have it do the resizing and adding borders or do this in an AviSynth script and have TMPGEnc load that.

The Lazyman's Method (aka, let TMPGEnc do everything):
Start TMPGEnc and use its Project Wizard.
Select DVD for NTSC in the left pane (the full desc. is DVD for NTSC (N.A. and Japan)).
Select CBR MPEG-1 Layer II Audio (MP2) if you know the player will play back MP2 audio (some players don't) or CBR Linear PCM Audio (all players can play this back, but some authoring programs may not like this option since it will create 2 separate files at the end, a .m2v and a .wav file instead of a .mpg file.
Click Next.
Add your Video File (Audio File should be automatically added).
Click Next.
Now to add a filter here by checking the Clip frame box.
Click on the Arrange setting button.
On the Arrange Method: drop menu select either Center (keep aspect ratio) if the original video is Input format: 640x480 / 1:1 (VGA) or Center (custom size) if it is something else.
If it is something else, for 4:3 aspect ratio change the size setting to 640x436 pixels. For letterboxed 16:9 aspect ratio* to avoid subs getting cut off the sides change the size to 640x320 pixels or something near it. (yes, I know there are problems with these resolutions...)
Optional: You can click on the Mask Color setting button and change the color of the borders (black should be the default) if you wish. (Why you would is beyond me...)
Click OK.
If you want to adjust how TMPGEnc encodes your MPEG-2 video (CBR, VBR, 2-pass, etc.) you can click on the Other settings button. If not, then click Next.
Now, the only things you should adjust here on the Bitrate setting are the Average video bitrate if you didn't change this on the previous step, and Audio Bitrate if you selected MP2 audio earlier. (Also, clicking on the Expert button opens up the same window that Other settings did on the previous step.)
Click Next.
You'll want to select where the MPEG-2 file(s) are created here by clicking on the Browse... button.
Finally click OK and and let it encode away. Hopefully the audio and video don't desync...

*For better quality, especially if it's for display on a widescreen TV, encoding in anamorphic 16:9 is preferred. To encode anamorphic 16:9 video for widescreen sources, just select DVD for NTSC (16:9) first, and resize the video to 640x432 pixels. Make sure your DVD player is set up for the right type of display device. 4:3 (aka fullscreen) and the player will add the letterboxes, 16:9 (widescreen) and the player will output anamorphic which your TV will then have to "un-squish" or stretch to fill its screen.
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Post by boxcm » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:55 pm

Ah! A most helpful reply! :D

At first I could not find the options you were speaking of but I looked into my various products from TMPEG and saw that XPress (which I have never used) gives me similar options... I now shall try it and see what happens!

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Post by angelstarfire_hikarist » Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:08 am

If that doesn't work, and assuming I've read correctly, DVD2AVI is a good program... you bring in the video, go to 'crop' and unless I'm mistaken you can add a black border, width, height, or both, in any amount desired. At which point you can then burn the .AVI back onto a DVD, and it should stop your cropping on the projector...

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