My sad story.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:49 am

Watch what you admit to here. Don't do shit like that. Under any circumstances.

If you need source, get it where at least half the people that have videos here do.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:13 am

Yolko wrote:It's really the only material I can get; they don't sell anime DVDs here in Finland [well, few maybe but almost nothing, definitely not my favourite series] and I can't order them from the net either. [Argh, don't ask why, but I really can't..]

Ask the other members of Arctic Tribe where they got their sources? AFAIK, they're all in Finland...

Up In Flamez · Post by **Up In Flamez** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:04 pm

wow using people's amvs for footage is worse than using fansubs

Shazzy · Post by **Shazzy** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:35 pm

Yolko wrote:Argh, don't ask why, but I really can't..

This is the most ridiculous argument. What, you're a kid and don't have a credit card? Your parents are such shitty bastards that they won't buy something for you if you earn the money yourself? Come off it. Find a friend who can buy stuff online and pay them. If you don't have friends, well, you need to work on something more important than AMVs, don't you?

James Sharp · Post by **James Sharp** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:39 pm

i think everyone is being a lil harsh on the poor dude..

He has no clue about the rules of this forum.. obviously he didnt read it along with 90 percent of everyone here..

Yoloko: dude although its TERRIBLE to use actual "anime music video" footage from other animators.. as long as you dont upload the vids here..

If your an anime fan.. witch im assuming you are.. then you have a great GREAT way to get footage in one of two forms.

A: video capture card off of the television
B: use raw (unsubbed) footage of anime that are not even on dvd yet. (im assuming you know how to download anime)

With these two methods no one can yell at ya for ripping stuff off.

But i will give you some advice.. if you really wanna make good amv's then get actual dvd's the quality is almost uncomparable.. and NEVER EVER use downloaded music EVER!!!

albums are cheap so no crying about that. hell you can even pay 99 cents for a down loadable single song off some music program.. just as long as you pay for it.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:25 am

James Sharp wrote:i think everyone is being a lil harsh on the poor dude..

He has no clue about the rules of this forum.. obviously he didnt read it along with 90 percent of everyone here..

By signing up to the forums you agree to those rules. It's your own damn fault if you never read them.

James Sharp wrote: albums are cheap so no crying about that. hell you can even pay 99 cents for a down loadable single song off some music program.. just as long as you pay for it.

If you're paying for a download you're going to get the same quality audio as you would from downloading illegally. And most legal download methods for music are DRMed and can't be used properly without jumping through hoops (and doing so is AFAIK just as illegal as downloading music through illegal means). If you're going to suggest anything, suggest borrowing the album from a friend or buying it from a store.

James Sharp · Post by **James Sharp** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:18 am

If you're paying for a download you're going to get the same quality audio as you would from downloading illegally.

Really? dang i always assumed the napster and itunes paid downloads are like 312kb's or something like that while most Illegal downloads usually are like 128..

And i also figured the reason napster made you pay a fee to burn songs to cd's in addition to its monthly fee to download songs to your computer was because you are buying the rights to "backup" the song on a cd so you can listen to it wherever you want. such as a cd player.. or a dvd player.. or anything that is not directly related to anything mp3. so i always assumed that technically if you put that song you paid to reproduce on a music video.. then you are not violating any laws..

although i can understand how uploading it here would be a direct violation.

But then again.. even for people who paid for the album it is a violation.. so really even using a bought cd to distribute the songs in the form of an amv is illegal..

so looks like whatever we do it is illegal isnt it?

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:51 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:And most legal download methods for music are DRMed and can't be used properly without jumping through hoops...

eMusic.com is reputed to be the second largest online music store after iTunes and they have no DRM. They contract with independents and offer straight MP3 files in a subscription-based service.

As pointed out in this NYTimes article, there may be no DRM of any kind in the near future.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:50 pm

James Sharp wrote:
If you're paying for a download you're going to get the same quality audio as you would from downloading illegally.
Really? dang i always assumed the napster and itunes paid downloads are like 312kb's or something like that while most Illegal downloads usually are like 128..

Well, you need to have better sources than the average public user would, but those same high-quality files are available (though most people don't have the auditory ability to notice differences)

James Sharp wrote: And i also figured the reason napster made you pay a fee to burn songs to cd's in addition to its monthly fee to download songs to your computer was because you are buying the rights to "backup" the song on a cd so you can listen to it wherever you want. such as a cd player.. or a dvd player.. or anything that is not directly related to anything mp3. so i always assumed that technically if you put that song you paid to reproduce on a music video.. then you are not violating any laws..

AFAIK you only have the right to listen to said music on your computer. That's why some (but not all as TartanT points out) music services require you to even have to use other programs to essentially re-record the songs to listen to them in another media player, put them on an mp3 player, burn them to CD, etc.

James Sharp wrote: But then again.. even for people who paid for the album it is a violation.. so really even using a bought cd to distribute the songs in the form of an amv is illegal..

so looks like whatever we do it is illegal isnt it?

Essentially, yes. But apparently some ethics are involved in certain methods and not in others. I try to explain this unique facet to others outside of the community and they tell me we have our heads quite far up our own asses and usually laugh about it for a while.

Yolko · Post by **Yolko** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:07 am

Well. I think nobody wants to see any of my posts more, but don't worry, this is the last one.

Thank you for you all for reading my post and posting replies. It was very kind and I've learn lots of useful things - and all of those things I could find just a little looking around. So thanks for bothering to give some advice. I've been and I am really pathetic and annoyingly stupid.

You're right, I haven't read the rules. Well, many of the people here haven't so that's not just me. But why didn't I read them? Because I'm lazy brat and I probably wouldn't understand even half of them with this english.

This place is probably much happier without me and that's one the reasons I'm leaving. The other reasons are these: My shame is increased really much and my desire to do AMVs has vained. I outreagiously use other people's AMVs as my footage because lack of money, shops that sell anime DVDs and many other things and that I have to stop. And when I stop that I also have to stop doing AMVs, so that's it. And no, I don't wan't or need any posts that say "You don't have to stop doing AMVs" or "Thank you for leaving" or "You're not stupid" or "You're stupid" - I don't need any posts at all anymore, so you don't have to bother. I mean, you can post here, but I just wan't to tell you that I won't be here reading them.

I'm not lying when I say this:

Just forget me.

I hope you believe me.