Anime or Cartoon?

[Proud ASIAN]

Which one you love and what is the reasons?

I love Anime and the reason is because Anime are more realistic than cartoon, the Anime chacraters [ Anime girls ] also the only one that can charm me with their cuteness. adorableness, beautifulness and many other reason that makes me charmed by them aswell as to the Anime. Just how this page described http://home.graffiti.net/phoenixknight/ ... -Anime.htm
When cosplaying into Anime, I don't feel any shame because no one calling me childish or a kid but instead calling me cute, handsome, etc. There are also very many Anime Websites, Forums, Conventions, where I can share and exchange Anime information with millions other Anime fans.


I have 2 questions for those who like Animation :

1. Why did you think there are soo many-many Anime cosplayers rather than cartoon cosplayers?
From each 10.000 Anime cosplayers only 1 or none cartoon cosplayer out there, you can check a cosplayer site such as www.cosplay.com or www.acparadise.com . You can found atleast 50.000 Anime cosplayers from deferent countrys just from those 2 cosplay sites, most of the Anime cosplayers are not even ASIAN themself or on other words Anime not just enjoyed and cosplayed by the ASIANS who make the Anime but also by the non ASIANS. There are also millions more other Anime cosplayers out there who were also from many-many deferent countrys other than what you have seen on the 2 previous cosplay sites.
I'm sure no one in here who can show me at least 1.000 cartoon cosplayers, because no one interested on cosplaying into childish and unpopular show. They probably know they will get themselfs called childish when they are cosplaying into cartoon by their familys or friends.

By seeing those millions Anime cosplayers, have proved that Anime are more realistic than cartoon because someone who did what they see on a show such as a movie, Animation, Video Games or any television entertainment are those who were motivated by the realistic things of what they seen. They are cosplaying into Anime because they think Anime are realistic that makes them motivated to do what they see in Anime.

2. Why did you think there are soo many-many Anime websites, forums, conventions or stores rather than cartoon websites, forums, conventions or stores?
You can use www.google.com to check and find it all out, and you will found hundreds thousand Anime websites, forums, conventions or stores. Just like the Anime cosplayers most of the Anime websites, forums, conventions or stores are come from outside ASIA. This Anime forum are one of those many-many forums who clinging-on into Anime to stay alive.
I'm sure you can't find cartoon websites, forums, conventions or stores as many as the Anime websites, forums, conventions or stores because cartoon childish popularition makes Animation fans have no or have less interest to make website, forum, covention or even to open a store for it.

I'm very sure you have many Anime DVD, VCD, or accessories rather than any cartoon DVD, VCD or accessories in your collections or you don't even have any cartoon DVD, VCD, or accessories in your collections. I'm also very sure there are many Anime girls or Anime boys that makes you fall in love to them and no cartoon girls or cartoon boys that makes you fall in love to them.


A few things any Anime fans should know :

There are several countrys outside ASIA who try to make Anime but they can't make it themselfs because when they are hiring the ASIANS animators as the animators. As an example, the american try to make a few semi Anime [ not fully Anime ] such as :
- Teen Titans, the animators are Korean
- Power Puff Girls Z, the animators are Japanese
- Avatar, the animators are Korean
- Duel Master, the animators are Japanese
And a few others semi Anime the american animation company made by hiring the ASIANS animators in hope they can make Anime and take credit for their ownselfs. But it seems all those semi Anime end as a failure, because all those semi Anime are not as popular as the Anime who were made by 100% ASIANS staff that were made in ASIA.

There are also many american own cartoon that were made by ASIANS animators :
- Simpsons, half of the total episode made by Korean animators
- Tom and Jerry kids
- Scooby Doo [ the new one ]
- Superman, the new one made by Japanese animators
- Batman, the new one made by Korean animators
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the new one made by Japanese animators
There are still many others american own cartoon that were made by ASIANS animators hired by american animation company.
Most of the american cartoon next sequel were made by hiring ASIANS animators because the first chapter are not popular. Such as Tom and Jerry, it is only popular in the u.s.a but not outside of the u.s.a before Tom and Jerry kids are released.
France and a few other non ASIAN countrys also hiring ASIANS animators to make their semi Anime and also cartoon such as Skyisland, Totally spy, etc.

There are many peoples who said Anime are Cartoon, Anime technically Cartoon or Anime in definitions are Cartoon. What they said are not based on fact because :
- Anime and Cartoon have deferent quality and level because Anime have much more higher quality and level, you can see how Anime more realistic than Cartoon as the proof. So Anime are not = Cartoon because booth Anime and Cartoon does not have the same quality and level.
- Anime using more higher technique to make the Animation to become more alive or realistic, you can see how Anime more realistic than Cartoon as the proof. So Anime are not technically Cartoon because booth Anime and Cartoon does not have the same
technique on how to make an Anime or a Cartoon.
- Anime and Cartoon in definitions are animation forms just like Claymation, CG and FMV who also other forms of animation. So
Anime in definitions are not Cartoon because the definitions of Anime and Cartoon are animation forms.

If you are still not understand it, you can think this simple logic :
There won't be any Anime Websites, Anime Forums, Anime Conventions, Anime Cosplayers, Anime Studios, Anime Stores, or the ASIANS [ Japanese, Chinese, Korean ] won't call their animation as Anime if Anime are Cartoon, if Anime technically Cartoon or if Anime in definitions are Cartoon.
So by saying Anime = Cartoon, Anime technically Cartoon or Anime in definitions are Cartoon not only ignorant but also idiotic, but for someone who only able to clinging-on to other peoples advancement, they won't care about that facts. Because they can't make Anime and only able to make Cartoon, they were hoping they will get benefits from Anime by saying Anime = Cartoon, Anime technically Cartoon, Anime in definitions are Cartoon. If they are overcomed by their greed, they will also calling Anime were copying Cartoon or Anime were inspired by Cartoon, greedy peoples will tend to call anyone who make something they can't make were copying or were inspired by what they made. Since they can't make Anime, they are calling the one who made Anime were copying their Cartoon or were inspired by their Cartoon.
What they did have gave Anime the Cartoon bad [ childish ] reputation that makes many-many Anime fans called childish by their family or by most of their friends. Because their family or most of their friends did not know about Anime that mostly for teenagers and adults, they only know about Cartoon that are childish and for children.


Before you want to say anything bad about Anime because you are one of those greedy peoples, first show me at least :- 1.000 cartoon cosplayers, except from cartoon's titles that were brought to movie because no one can tell wether they cosplaying from the animation or from the movie
- 100 cartoon girls and 100 cartoon boys that makes many animation fans falls in love to them
- 50 cartoon websites, except the one that made by the cartoon's studio
- 10 cartoon forums with multirace member on it or not just having western members, also that have more than 1000 new post a day.
- 10 cartoon store or a store that only have cartoon related items on sale
- 5 cartoon titles that makes illness to the whole world, such as an Anime named Pokemon in the year of 2000 that makes a fever to the whole world or such as Naruto that are hotly talked over right now in many website and forums.
- 10 cartoon titles that are not for cildrent or a cartoon who have adult material on it
- 5 cartoon titles that have more than 3 sequels, such as an Anime named Gundam who have over 8 sequels
Show it one by one starting from the top

If you can't show me that, then you should have shame to what you want to say of anything bad about Anime because I can show you more than what I'm asking to you such as I can show you over 100.000 Anime cosplayers, over 100 Anime websites, etc. If you want me to show you all of that, you have to challenge with the rules of :
- After the battle start, if any of us editing our posting then the one who edited their posting are lose.
- Any of us can decide the punishment if either one of us lose including banning from using the Internet forever. My punishment are you have to put my internet link into all of your internet account including in this forum if you lose.

Anything you read in this topic starter are based on fact and If you doubt any of what you read in this topic starter such as the animators of the american cartoon's titles listed in here or any other things you read in this topic starter, just challenge me to prove it. If you believe in what you are going to say as truth then you will 100% sure to fight for it untill the end including to accept anyone challenge who try to break your believes.
Why you must challenge me if you want to break the truth of what I said in this topic starter? because that is the way of what real men will did when they are fighting for their believes. I believe in what I write in this topic starter and have no fear to accept any challenge from any member who doubt what I write in this topic starter. I'm also someone who don't do useless things such as using lies in this topic starter.


Infortant note :
- There is what known as "cartoon curse" that gives bad influence towards Anime, you will have your familys or friends calling you childish when you watch any Animation even if they are Anime because your familys or most of your friends only know about cartoon that are for kids and did not know about Anime that are mostly for teenagers and adults.
- Most american cartoon are mostly [ over 74% ] using animal characters such as tom and jerry, the lion king, donald duck, tiny toons, mickey mouse, etc. Even the american 3D cartoon such as shrek, ice age, shark tale, chicken run, happy feet, etc also using Animal characters. This is one of the reason why cartoon are childish and seeing as a show that only for childrent.

If you want to help to get ride of the "cartoon curse" who gives bad influence into Anime, you can spread this topic everywhere and to anyone including to your friends or to anyone who love Anime.

[Otohiko]

Your signature is too big, by the forum's rules (you ought to check those again) you should keep it to no more than 4 lines of text or two 600x40 images.

Also, I may one of the more patient and careful posters on this forum, but only one thing I can say here: by god, your generalizations suck.

[Malificus]

It's annoying when people go on rants about how anime aren't cartoons or that all anime are better than all cartoons.

[Otohiko]

A more detailed response:

Anime are more realistic than cartoon, the Anime chacraters [ Anime girls ] also the only one that can charm me with their cuteness. adorableness, beautifulness and many other reason that makes me charmed by them aswell as to the Anime.

Aesthetics.

Subjective.

[/quote]When cosplaying into Anime, I don't feel any shame because no one calling me childish or a kid but instead calling me cute, handsome, etc. [/quote]

Aesthetics; vague agency: who is "no one" and who is "calling"?

Subjective.

1. Why did you think there are soo many-many Anime cosplayers rather than cartoon cosplayers?

Cultural aspects related to anime culture. I could also ask "why don't Asians celebrate Maslenitza?", to which I'm sure the follow-up question would be "what's a Maslenitza?", at which point I laugh and eat my pancakes.

You have to realize that cosplay is not [as significant] a part of the culture surrounding what you call 'cartoons'.

Your affinity for cosplay proves nothing here other than your affinity for cosplay. Else please join my Khorovod in celebrating Maslenitza.

Culturally uninformed argument.

2. Why did you think there are soo many-many Anime websites, forums, conventions or stores rather than cartoon websites, forums, conventions or stores?

Stats plz.

Unfounded argument.

There are several countrys outside ASIA who try to make Anime but they can't make it themselfs because when they are hiring the ASIANS animators as the animators. As an example, the american try to make a few semi Anime [ not fully Anime ] such as :
- Teen Titans, the animators are Korean
- Power Puff Girls Z, the animators are Japanese
- Avatar, the animators are Korean
- Duel Master, the animators are Japanese
And a few others semi Anime the american animation company made by hiring the ASIANS animators in hope they can make Anime and take credit for their ownselfs. But it seems all those semi Anime end as a failure, because all those semi Anime are not as popular as the Anime who were made by 100% ASIANS staff that were made in ASIA.

There are also many american own cartoon that were made by ASIANS animators :
- Simpsons, half of the total episode made by Korean animators
- Tom and Jerry kids
- Scooby Doo [ the new one ]
- Superman, the new one made by Japanese animators
- Batman, the new one made by Korean animators
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the new one made by Japanese animators
There are still many others american own cartoon that were made by ASIANS animators hired by american animation company.
Most of the american cartoon next sequel were made by hiring ASIANS animators because the first chapter are not popular. Such as Tom and Jerry, it is only popular in the u.s.a but not outside of the u.s.a before Tom and Jerry kids are released.
France and a few other non ASIAN countrys also hiring ASIANS animators to make their semi Anime and also cartoon such as Skyisland, Totally spy, etc.

I don't understand what the point of this whole thing is.

You do realize that animation is a technical process?

You do realize that design aesthetics are not inherent to ASIANS alone?

Irrelevant.

- Anime and Cartoon have deferent quality and level because Anime have much more higher quality and level, you can see how Anime more realistic than Cartoon as the proof. So Anime are not = Cartoon because booth Anime and Cartoon does not have the same quality and level.

Subjective.

- Anime using more higher technique to make the Animation to become more alive or realistic, you can see how Anime more realistic than Cartoon as the proof. So Anime are not technically Cartoon because booth Anime and Cartoon does not have the same
technique on how to make an Anime or a Cartoon.

Subjective, unfounded.

- Anime and Cartoon in definitions are animation forms just like Claymation, CG and FMV who also other forms of animation. So
Anime in definitions are not Cartoon because the definitions of Anime and Cartoon are animation forms.

What?

Because their family or most of their friends did not know about Anime that mostly for teenagers and adults, they only know about Cartoon that are childish and for children.

A legitimate point, but I think this is a cultural property of North American society rather than a sign of anime superiority. I too disdain this but you'll have to do better than this to prove anything.

Before you want to say anything bad about Anime because you are one of those greedy peoples, first show me at least :- 1.000 cartoon cosplayers, except from cartoon's titles that were brought to movie because no one can tell wether they cosplaying from the animation or from the movie
- 100 cartoon girls and 100 cartoon boys that makes many animation fans falls in love to them
- 50 cartoon websites, except the one that made by the cartoon's studio
- 10 cartoon forums with multirace member on it or not just having western members, also that have more than 1000 new post a day.
- 10 cartoon store or a store that only have cartoon related items on sale
- 5 cartoon titles that makes illness to the whole world, such as an Anime named Pokemon in the year of 2000 that makes a fever to the whole world or such as Naruto that are hotly talked over right now in many website and forums.
- 10 cartoon titles that are not for cildrent or a cartoon who have adult material on it
- 5 cartoon titles that have more than 3 sequels, such as an Anime named Gundam who have over 8 sequels
Show it one by one starting from the top

Please show me:

-1000 ASIANS celebrating Maslenitza with Khorovods, Bliny s gribamy, burning effigies of Zima and all other cultural properties inherent to my CLEARLY AWESOME CULTURE.




Seriously, your arguments are culturally uninformed and frankly smack of a strange brand of chauvinism. As much as I might like anime and largely dislike a lot of American animation, I don't think your posting here is to any degree appropriate and, if you plan to scare people with big posts and CAPITAL LETTERS, please reconsider.

Likewise, please be aware that for all your exaltations, you have gone for a cheap move by making huge generalizations and presenting NOT ONE concrete fact (but rather vague allusions), and then placing the burden of proof on the other side. Rhetorically poor and highly impolite.

Props for writing a long and grammatically-correct post. Now please make one that is rhetorically-sound, too

[Purge]

anime being used to segregate society - what a sad day.

[BasharOfTheAges]

You do realize the animation that's done in Korea is done there because they lack any sort of strong labor laws and can be paid a fraction of what animators elsewhere would get, right?

Also, what's the point of your mindless and horribly written rant?

[Proud ASIAN]

As far as I can see until I made this posting, there is still no members who reply this topic have the courage to doubt what I said since no one of them challenging me to break the fact that I said in the topic starter. They probably even don't have believes in their own words because when someone said something he believes then he will have nothing to fear to fight for their believes. That is what I'm doing right now by making a challenge to anyone who doubt the fact that I said in the topic starter.

[Otohiko]

As far as I can see until I made this posting, there is still no members who reply this topic have the courage to doubt what I said

Have you read my 2nd response?

since no one of them challenging me to break the fact that I said in the topic starter.

Have you read my 2nd response?

They probably even don't have believes in their own words because when someone said something he believes then he will have nothing to fear to fight for their believes.

Have you read my 2nd response?

That is what I'm doing right now by making a challenge to anyone who doubt the fact that I said in the topic starter.

HAVE YOU READ MY 2ND RESPONSE?


Please. When you come to an argument, I think you've some rhetorical obligations. Like actually considering responses and taking into account their arguments.

Frankly what you believe doesn't matter to anyone here unless you can substantiate it with anything other than unsupported, overgeneralized and faultily-constructed arguments.

[Proud ASIAN]

I can see more rants come out from 1 of the member who reply in this topic, he/she have no guts to say "I dare or challenge you because I doubt what you said as fact in the topic starter" or anything like that.

I don't do useless things such as arguing that gives 0 things to me and in my blood runs the mighty ASIAN blood that forbits me to argue with a loser or someone who just talk and no action.

I'm sure all the member who reply this topic want to see a real stuff and not just talk. Not a loser? then don't just ALL talk, do what it needs to make your words come true.

[Otohiko]

I can see more rants come out from 1 of the member who reply in this topic, he/she have no guts to say "I dare or challenge you because I doubt what you said as fact in the topic starter" or anything like that.

Did you read my 2nd post

I don't do useless things such as arguing that gives 0 things to me and in my blood runs the mighty ASIAN blood that forbits me to argue with a loser or someone who just talk and no action.

Action? On my internets?

I'm sure all the member who reply this topic want to see a real stuff and not just talk. Not a loser? then don't just ALL talk, do what it needs to make your words come true.

What on earth are you talking about?

Seriously, how about you respond to the points I raised? I mean holy crap, do you even realize what you just typed on here and how most people would respond to that?

Well... here they come anyway