The Lip Flapper : Volume 11.5 - Awesome Bunneh Review

[gotegenks]

well set-up review, but like ileia said, you really ruined it by building up the video so much. But idk if that was totally due to your own tastes or the reputation that "action editors" and their videos have around here that made you do that to get people excited, but personally i'm a big fan of polished generic action videos and so this video didn't live up to the immense hype you gave it (for me anyway, not a huge fan of spammed "twitches" or whatever they're callin it).

i think the main difference between the action and romance genres as far as their concepts go is that majority of action videos don't even try or don't even want to have a d33p concept ( by gote is a perfect example of this) and then you get the majority of romance videos that not only fail as much as action videos at portraying a concept, but they also claim to have one. I guess romance aims to bring out an emotion that people actually consider an EMOTION and so that gives it the illusion of being deeper and romance videos focus more on a relationship, on a story between two characters and so romance editors and their videos just kinda use that as their concept no matter how badly it's presented, it's just auto-concept. I mean, everyone's done the whole anime-storyline video, just do the series in order "the story is basically just the story of the anime, blablabla" so it's like that except more specific, imo anyway, and anytime you criticize an anime-storyline or a romance video on youtube you get "YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE ANIME/MOVIE/SERIES/MANGA SO YOU DON'T KNOW MMMMMMKKKKK???!???!?".

So basically, action editors know they suck at concepts while romance editors pretend they don't.

but all that aside the review was really well done, professional, easy and entertaining to read, and insightful and it was a pretty good video!

[Radical_Yue]

well set-up review, but like ileia said, you really ruined it by building up the video so much.

When did she say that?
Unless you meant the opposite of what you said?

Oh, no, it wasn't that you gushed on about the video, (that's perfectly fine!) it was the repetition of "an action video that doesn't suck" in your last Lip Flappers, on your twitter and then again here that gave me that impression. >_>

but all that aside the review was really well done, professional, easy and entertaining to read, and insightful and it was a pretty good video!

Openly stating that 90% of action videos suck isn't exactly professional :/ It's not incredibly journalistic or a good idea to insult a decent amount of your readers with a blanket statement made multiple times.

[CodeZTM]

Openly stating that 90% of action videos suck isn't exactly professional :/ It's not incredibly journalistic or a good idea to insult a decent amount of your readers with a blanket statement made multiple times.

Yeah, I should have thought more about that. I was attempting to be funny because of my past reputation with action videos, but I feel like I was just foolish now. I'll try to avoid that in the future. >_<

[Radical_Yue]

Openly stating that 90% of action videos suck isn't exactly professional :/ It's not incredibly journalistic or a good idea to insult a decent amount of your readers with a blanket statement made multiple times.

Yeah, I should have thought more about that. I was attempting to be funny because of my past reputation with action videos, but I feel like I was just foolish now. I'll try to avoid that in the future. >_<

If it makes you feel any better, you've been doing a pretty good job until then

Maybe you should do a comedy special with people like Kosmit and Fall_Child42 for April Fools? Take notes?

[gotegenks]

well set-up review, but like ileia said, you really ruined it by building up the video so much.

When did she say that?
Unless you meant the opposite of what you said?

Oh, no, it wasn't that you gushed on about the video, (that's perfectly fine!) it was the repetition of "an action video that doesn't suck" in your last Lip Flappers, on your twitter and then again here that gave me that impression. >_>

uhmm, i don't quite understand here....i meant he ruined his own credibility as an amv critic with......

the repitition of "an action video that doesn't suck" in your last Lip Flappers, on your twitter and then again here

a.k.a.......

by building up the video so much

maybe i should add "as opposed to other action videos" but even without that i don't see it being the opposite of what ileia said.

but all that aside the review was really well done, professional, easy and entertaining to read, and insightful and it was a pretty good video!

Openly stating that 90% of action videos suck isn't exactly professional :/ It's not incredibly journalistic or a good idea to insult a decent amount of your readers with a blanket statement made multiple times.

professionally composed, i wasn't talking about his professionalism as a critic of amvs. If you disagree with his opinion, that's on you, and i agree that maybe he shouldn't have (mistakenly) alienated a lot of us (with the matter of popular reception in mind), but it doesn't say anything about the way he set up the interview. I don't even mean his rhetoric or grammar or sentence structure (not that it was bad, i just don't feel knowledgeable enough to comment on it), i was mostly agreeing with diegao on the picture thing and stuff and the progression of ideas (so i guess maybe a little bit of the grammar side or whatever) and his opinions were clear, no matter disagreeable they are. aside from the

overhyping the video and making it seem like "god's gift to this genre"

because imo, it dulled how excited i was about the video, and i wasn't as interested in reading about it now that i had this rude awakening that it was just an okay video, but at the same time i was more interested in reading it to find out why exactly he's so freakin' crazy about the video, and he did make me like it more, so yeah. good job code

and do whatever the hell you want to do. It was a good read made even better by your controversial opinion. This is where the disclaimer crap comes in i guess. He's not working for the org so he doesn't have to be impartial in the slightest. He can write whatever the hell he wants to write. There are extremely disagreeable people that write their cracked out opinions very well and entertaining to read and even get others to agree and support them! They also aren't afraid to alienate loads of people (see: richard dawkins) to get their point across. This is how code feels, he wrote it out and we're disagreeing with it which is great but he shouldn't be discouraged from writing an opinion for us to disagree with. The most valuable theses are the ones that a sane person would stand to disagree with. If nobody in their right mind would disagree with what you're writing, then what point is there in writing it? He would be getting the same circlejerk youtubesque comments that he's gotten in like all of his interviews (which aren't bad their since those are just friendly little get-to-know-you sessions). By disagreeing and arguing and discussing we should be aiming to convince him of our opinions, that's the way arguments go, but we shouldn't be trying to shut him up unless it's by way of him agreeing with us and nothing needing to be said (because if everyone agrees there's nothing to be said anymore). Even if it would help the lip flappers be more popular, they would also be more dull! Every lip flapper's a learning experience for you i guess, code, but don't take from this venture that you shouldn't voice your opinions, or aim to represent every single interest group for the sake of pleasing everyone. I do recommend exploring the interests of every group, but not succumbing to their beliefs or opinions.

within the review, he took great pains to ensure us that it wasn't the critic or the elitist in him saying this, it was his own personal opinion, tastes, and inclination towards the romance genre. It was the comments outside of this review where he indisputably messed up in my opinion, but that's it.

[Kairih]

I was reading this topic and I was getting really upset, but THANKS SO MUCH gote. You actually got the point.
Everybody got their opinion, everybody has their taste.
No need to apologize.
Code can say whatever he wants, it's HIS taste.

He can write whatever the hell he wants to write.

x2
Until you don't offend other people like saying his/her stuff is crap, you can say whatever you want.
I'm sure Code was trying to say his opinion.
No need to complain.
I know how it happens, I've been through this circle.
"I'm stopping expressing myself because you are saying bullshit. You say that my opinion is totally useless and that my video is a shit, so well... why should I keep on going?"
No way.
You are saying your opinion. Ok. My opinion is that I totally disagree with you.
No-need-to-apoligize.
No-need-to-complain.
Keep expressing your ideal and yourself.
There's no need to listen to everybody's opinions... Sometimes people don't even know what they're saying and they're just trying to get cool.

I do recommend exploring the interests of every group, but not succumbing to their beliefs or opinions.

There are extremely disagreeable people that write their cracked out opinions very well and entertaining to read and even get others to agree and support them! They also aren't afraid to alienate loads of people

This is the truth.

Good job Code and keep on going.

[Ileia]

Geez, it's not like Code was being attacked and his review was torn apart, this is getting a little overboard.

Code did indeed voice his opinion and I responded with my own. That's it. No ill-will anywhere in there. No reason to get upset reading it....

[irriadin]

I'm imbibing alcohol atm, so if this post ends up being slightly (or very) incomprehensible, well, sorry.

Code absolutely has the right to express his opinion. But I disagree with him. More on that later. In regards to journalistic integrity, well, this is an opinion piece. Saying something inflammatory like "90% of action amv's suck" is kinda misguided (since you could just as easily say 90% of amv's suck.) But he can write what he wants to write.

His stance is a rather popular position to take on action AMV's, unfortunately. I'm not entirely sure why some editors thumb their nose at action videos in particular. The other genres are no better or worse, imo.

I find this Lip Flapper very interesting, because it gives a great insight into what kind of action video someone who's not a fan of the genre enjoys. Personally, while I do think the video is good, I think it's nothing exceptional. The effects usage is overt (the wave effect at 1:08, in particular, is very obtuse.) Some great timing moments, however. The theme or "story" of the video makes sense to me, but I'm not sure it will to anyone who hasn't seen Summer Wars.

[Kairih]

Geez, it's not like Code was being attacked and his review was torn apart, this is getting a little overboard.

Code did indeed voice his opinion and I responded with my own. That's it. No ill-will anywhere in there. No reason to get upset reading it....

I'm sorry, I really wasn't upset with you, Ileia, but I was already angry for another reason and then I got my vent here. >.>
I had to do it in the vent topic in general discussion.
I apoligize for what I've said since it really wasn't my intention.
I hope you're not mad at me now. D:

[BasharOfTheAges]

Well, I enjoy Bunneh.