Can any of the pros give advice to this newb?

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:02 am

requiett wrote:How does it hurt the economy by downloading software you can't afford to make something you can't legally make a profit on? :roll:

Software piracy isn't just an economic concern, you know.

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:00 am

Then it should be legal for non-commercial purposes.

bum · Post by **bum** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:18 am

Kionon wrote:Yes, you can if you want to spend the time getting over the (comparetively small to premiere and final cut) learning curve.

It all depends on what you start out with. Personaly I think that premier is hard as hell to use, while vegas is simplicity itself.

bum · Post by **bum** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:22 am

requiett wrote:How does it hurt the economy by downloading software you can't afford to make something you can't legally make a profit on?

Thats the excuse all pirates use. "I could never afford it so it so its not going to hurt anyone if I steal it". Personaly I find that comment to be total bullshit most of the time.

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:31 am

Yeah. Say that shit when YOU spend $600+ for software to make something which has no more use than hobby.

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:44 am

Philosophically speaking, BUM... how can you STEAL a set of electrons that can be copied an infinite number of times? Technically, that should make it worthless, since the supply obviously outweighs the demand by unending margin.

If you want to get into a moral debate over protecting the rights of entertainers [i.e. the record labels] and money hoarding software giants over such a miniscule issue like remixing existing material for kicks, you're the one who needs your head examined for rationalization misfires, boyo.

bum · Post by **bum** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:24 am

requiett wrote:Yeah. Say that shit when YOU spend $600+ for software to make something which has no more use than hobby.

Whats your point? AMV'ing isnt the only hobby which costs a few hundred dollars. Train modeling, woodwork and painting are all hobbies which can end up costing alot of money. In fact, amv'ing these days is comparitively cheap due to the power of modern computers and the availability of free software. DVD's and music are easily bought and can be as cheap as lunch at subway if you know where to look. So dont go complaining if a hobby is consting you a few hundred. Its nothing special.

requiett wrote:Philosophically speaking, BUM... how can you STEAL a set of electrons that can be copied an infinite number of times? Technically, that should make it worthless, since the supply obviously outweighs the demand by unending margin.

By that philosophy humans and everything els on this planet is worthless, seeing as were all just a bunch of atoms joined togeather

If you want to get into a moral debate over protecting the rights of entertainers [i.e. the record labels] and money hoarding software giants over such a miniscule issue like remixing existing material for kicks, you're the one who needs your head examined for rationalization misfires, boyo.

I'm not outright against piracy. What I'm against is this ignorant, selfish attitude you have towards the issue. Basicaly every reason you come up with to justify piracy seems to act as nothing more than an excuse to hide behind the truth and ignore the fact that you know that piracy is wrong.

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:56 am

Technically, you're committing "piracy" everytime you rip your DVDs, since no part of the video may be reproduced without express written consent of the creator, license holder, whatever.

Your analogy fails as well. Reality is tangible, but paying for concepts is something that only morons would go and do. Incidentally, they have to go and make up vague and unenforceable [for the majority] rules to convince us that what should be free, is actually "wrong." I don't see anyone shelling out money for watching my AMVs.

To make matters even more fun, the org is cracking down on people who "steal" ideas and pre-edited footage from people who "steal" ideas and pre-edited footage. Instead of freely sharing ideas, concepts, and data, humanity is finding itself fighting like dogs over the intellectual scraps. It's imperialism all over again with "intellectual property" in place of land.

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:03 am

requiett wrote:Technically, you're committing "piracy" everytime you rip your DVDs, since no part of the video may be reproduced without express written consent of the creator, license holder, whatever.

No. It is completely legal to rip your own DVDs (and CDs) as long as the ripped footage is not for anyone else.

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:04 am

The best irony is that money itself has evolved into a mere concept. You're talking about substituting concepts for concepts. What a pointless concept.