WotB isn't a very similar style to Spoil, so I don't see why you'd place them in the same category. They had a lot of effects but their way of using them was very different. Then again WotB was what got me into editing so my opinion's probably a bit biased.godix wrote:Whisper of the Beast, for example, is earlier and clearly a similar style. And even then, WotB wasn't the start of the emo grunge pointless effect whore trend.
Also, wasn't Die Another Day pretty influential for earlier AE editors?