WOAH THERE!!!!!! AND HAULT!!!!RatQuiRit wrote:What's with all the attitude? I don't care if you were a judge, and I especially don't care that there was a 505000000 GB top HQ version of this video that you have seen, because that's not the one I've seen. I'm just talking about what I have seen, and I have seen a bad quality AMV, and this bad quality is not due to the size. The colors were vivid, but I could count the pixels on the edges. That can't come from anything else than a mistake the editor made while encoding the video, I'm sorry to say that but I'm pretty sure it's true. Some 60Mb AMVs have better quality.Side Swipe wrote:ok firstly it wasn't over-edited and, it was well timed and appropriate. sometimes the simple transitions are the best and dips to black cuts and crossfades well executed is often the best way to go. effects shouldn't scream look at me I'm an effect.... lots of effects doesn't mean good editing it's the overall seemlessness of the video... I listened to the discussion that went on in the technical judging and I agree with them as for the reasons why they chose this as opposed to some of the other videos... NO! I will not go into details and NO! I will not say what other videos were discussed and for what reasons...
secondly. as for the "fix the quality" comment please pardon my french but a "STFU" is in order (I have never issued an STFU before so, believe me this is done all in good humor) LOL.... You Downloaded a DISTRIBUTION quality copy of this video.... AMV contests generally get COMPETITION quality copies which are usually much better looking AND much LARGER.... the larger size restricts them to lower quality for distribution... where a nice high quality contest quality video may run upwards of 500 MB sometimes more... The org LIMITS uploads of videos to around 100 MB or less... unless you get special approval for things like MEPs and very LONG videos... THUS they HAVE NO CHOICE but to upload lesser quality to the org. That's why it may have looked crappy... I assure you. The video we watched for the judging was as pristine as they come.
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And thanks for the lesson on good editing, that was totally useless considering it didn't slightly change my opinion. I still think this anime should could have won any other title, but not best editing. Do you watch a lot of AMVs? Because almost EVERY video I dl from here have a good sync and timing, this one has nothing special.
I'm sorry if I winded you up talking down about this convention. Fact is I couldn't care less about anime conventions in general. That certainly didn't give you the right to patronize me or something, I'm entitled to my opinion and I will never shut it because some guy who can't stand criticism on a video that isn't even his, asks me to.
What I typed was for the most part meant in good fun and with a playful attitude... I was not then nor am I now copping an attitude. If I were copping an attitude with you, to be sure, I would make sure you knew it in no uncertain terms. I do sometimes come off as an asshole but, I generally don't mean anything by it and, especially in text people take it the wrong way since it's harder to add lighthearted inflection and, still have people understand what I mean. That having been said I MAY have been a little more curt and, abrasive than I might otherwise be but, understand you are talking about me and my friends... People who bust our butts to try to make sure people that do go to conventions have a good contest to watch and, you are patronizing the job we do intentionally or otherwise... That doesn't endear you to us and make any of us want to be all happy smiley with you. Now you ARE entitled to your opinion... I happen to be in a good position to refute that opinion with FACTS that you may not be aware. I am trying to do so in a civilized manner this being an open forum and all I am NOT bashing, berating or belittling you. I am simply trying to explain why some of the negative views you expressed may not be the case...
As far as the video quality goes you can say all you want about what YOU have seen.... your distribution quality copy that you saw MAY HAVE in fact looked like ass I don't know that for sure because I haven't downloaded it. I don't need to I have a copy of that video and I haven't seen what you say you have seen... All I was saying was that the CONTEST QUALITY video that the judges saw for AB DIDN'T share the sucky qualities you seem to be attributing to this video. You weren't there and thus you didn't see what WE saw thus you have no place to judge that WE saw a crappy video or not. Just because you did or didn't like the video (by your own account it wasn't a bad video) doesn't mean the judges didn't know what they were doing. (no I'm not putting words into your mouth but that seems to be implied here) Again as I said you weren't there. Adam generally does re-encode the videos to make sure they are DVD compliant however GIGO is in effect (Garbage In Garbage Out)... If the video Adam got was pixelated then the re-encode should also be pixelated. Also there could have been a problem with the download to your computer from the org... or the upload from the creator to the org... suffice it to say ANY NUMBER of things could possibly (however unlikely) have made you see what you saw... so don't be so quick to blame the editor. I am more inclined to think it was a distribution vs contest quality issue... In my experience it seems to be the most likely cause.
The video compressed to where we saw it looked pristine but, the general rule is the more you compress the more quality you lose. Thus generally speaking a (usually larger file {not PAR tho sometimes that helps file size as well}) higher quality contest quality copy of the video is going to look better than a more highly compressed distribution quality video. That's just how it usually works. Now can you find exceptions to the rule sure... Could someone make a video on purpose that tosses this rule out the window ABSOLUTELY! I am not debating that... I am just stating that all other things being equal... it's probably a factor of the compression and, not a mistake that the editor made.
As for the reasons this won best editing... it is more than just sync and, timing there are many other factors that get taken into account... action line, action line crossover, pacing, concept, continuity, consistency, redundancy.... and a myriad of other very technical aspects that you may not even begin to know what they are let alone are they done well or done at all. Now it's possible that many editors don't know what most of these things are and are doing the right or wrong things on instinct. I will not lie I'm only beginning to understand what some of these things are and, how they come into play but, that doesn't mean they don't get taken into account. The technical judging is done by professionals in the industry that do this sort of thing for a living... Just because you don't understand their criteria, doesn't mean they made a bad choice or that they were wrong. ALSO you need to take in to account they are restricted to comparing these videos only to the other videos in the contest... Now it's possible there may have been nothing particularly special about this video in general however if it stood out among its peers as having the best blend of the qualities the judges look for then that determination is theirs to make, again not yours. Speaking on that note... Did you watch ALL the other videos that were finalists in the AB AMV contest or, just the winners? Either way given the criteria the judges were working with they obviously felt that the best editing award WAS appropriate for this video. Otherwise they wouldn't have awarded it to this one. You are entitled to your opinion that it wasn't appropriate but you don't seem to have been taking everything they were into account and from the start you weren't watching the same quality video
Yes I watch MANY MANY AMV's I am also an editor myself. I just ran a search for your name and it didn't come back with any videos... Is your editing handle/studio name is different from your forum name... I would appreciate if you wouldn't mind linking me to your videos so I can watch a few of them. Maybe it will help me see where you are at as an editor and, what sort of things you look for...
Lastly it wasn't the criticism you had for the guys video that I had a problem with it was your criticism of the technical judging... cest la vie you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, If they conflict so be it... If your opinion is that I was copping an attitude and patronizing you then I'm sorry you feel that way. It may be my opinion you may have deserved that sort of treatment and, I may only wish I had really let you have it, if I am to be accused of it. I digress I didn't come here for a pissing contest... Which is why I again tried to maintain some degree of dignity and not let my emotions get the better of me and go off 1/2 cocked. Granted this post was certainly less jovial in spirit. That I
attribute to what you posted and, how you posted it. I would like to think your post did not succeed in damaging my calm.
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