the trigun dub is horribly wrong

[Farlo]

There, I said it *ducks

it was a joke

[Beefmaster10000]

Well, I like the Trigun dub. I prefer it. I prefer dubs in my anime. That is my opinion, of course.

[Mroni]

just watching my second ep of the dubbed trigun...on cartoon network....

hey i know the cartoon network thing drops the overall quality down a bit...but Wolfwood's voice is wrong..just plain wrong!!!

the engish versions of the characters sicken me

screw it no more of that crap *changes channel*

I think Trigun has a good dub.


Mr Oni

[Propyro]

There, I said it *ducks

it was a joke

yes i know ... but still i felt like saying something ... so i did ...

[dwchang]

no need to get violent, thats jsut his personal preference ... if he was saying that teh dub was better (or even the sub) for any reason then i would feel that you'd be jsutified at throwing the bottle at him. This is solely a matter of personal preerence, he's free to like what ever he desries to. If he happens to like the dubbed version of trigun, then so be it ... i saw the sub first, and i liekd it, if i see the dub, odds are that i'll hate it. But that again is just my opinion, and like ssj's opinion, it holds no actual weight, just like yours and any one elses.

For the record, it's not really the fact that people like dubs that pisses me off. They have every right to prefer one over the other. The thing that pisses me off is when they try and defend it with statements like "better than the original," "sounds more like what the creator wanted," "sounds more like the character should," etc.

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard in these arguments. The Japanese voice IS the original voice and IS the way the character is supposed to sound. The japanese CREATOR (or original voice director)was at the voice sessions and PICKED the voices HE (the creator) thought sounded like what he wanted. I don't think you can argue about originality when one involves the creator and one involves some random voice director who had nothing to do with the creation of the show, story or characters.

Again, I don't have a problem with people enjoying one over the other. I have a problem when people think they know better than the creator about who someone should sound like and which is "right." I hate to break it to you, but the ORIGINAL voice IS the "right" one. You don't have to like it, but it's the "right" choice since the one who made it picked it. You don't have any right to say anything...well...until you create something yourself and can defend YOUR choices for YOUR work.

That's the reason I (like many others) like subs or raw. We get to hear the originally intended voices and emotions. I'd much rather hear the emotions, word emphasis, etc. that is directed by the creator than something that he has nothing to do with. It basically comes down to seeing things as close to the original vision as possible vs. not wanting to read or you just like hearing English.

Argh! I've gotten in this argument again!!! AHHHHH!!

[Propyro]

For the record, it's not really the fact that people like dubs that pisses me off. They have every right to prefer one over the other. The thing that pisses me off is when they try and defend it with statements like "better than the original," "sounds more like what the creator wanted," "sounds more like the character should," etc.

welll your right about that guess i have to go and contradict my statment that i had in the brackets ... so much for trying to be neutral. I guess i'm lucky that i've never had to hear those statements being used to defend dubs. But still ... just leave them alone, if it makes you feel better jsut think of Plato's allegory of the cave ... with you being the guy running around out side in the light while theyre chained to the wall at the bottom of the cave making threats to kill you if you go out (i still don't know how they'd kill you if thyre chained to the wall ... but thats how the story goes).

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard in these arguments. The Japanese voice IS the original voice and IS the way the character is supposed to sound. The japanese CREATOR (or original voice director)was at the voice sessions and PICKED the voices HE (the creator) thought sounded like what he wanted. I don't think you can argue about originality when one involves the creator and one involves some random voice director who had nothing to do with the creation of the show, story or characters.

well my personal opinion pretty much coincides with yours in this matter. And i feel that your right ... how ever annoying it is to hear people trying to defend dubs, you could just ignore it. It will save you so much frustration, and it may help you keep he hair on your head.

Again, I don't have a problem with people enjoying one over the other. I have a problem when people think they know better than the creator about who someone should sound like and which is "right." I hate to break it to you, but the ORIGINAL voice IS the "right" one. You don't have to like it, but it's the "right" choice since the one who made it picked it. You don't have any right to say anything...well...until you create something yourself and can defend YOUR choices for YOUR work.

and again your right...

That's the reason I (like many others) like subs or raw. We get to hear the originally intended voices and emotions. I'd much rather hear the emotions, word emphasis, etc. that is directed by the creator than something that he has nothing to do with. It basically comes down to seeing things as close to the original vision as possible vs. not wanting to read or you just like hearing English.

if i understood japaneese i'd probably go for the raw anime too ... but i don't so i have to settle for subs and dubs. But you've made it know to every one about your "puritist views" when ever you post any thing on the topic of Dubs vs Subs ... which is getting to be very repetitive ever since i've joined the org. Just out of curiosity do the dub vs sub debates always go around in circles ...

Argh! I've gotten in this argument again!!! AHHHHH!!

sorry, that post of mine you responded to was jsut me trying to make an intelegent/neutral post ... i guess i should stop making posts that require thinking after 2:00am ...

[CaTaClYsM]

I think that people need to realize that wolfwood, like vash, are supposed to come across as goofy/comic relief alot and someone with a very serious angsty voice isn't going to be able to get the job done as opposed to someone why was better at the goofy/comedy voice.

[Alucard_FoN]

I don't think Wolfwood was supposed to come across as comic relief most of the time. most of the time he seemed like a very serious character.

[dwchang]

ProPyro,

No need to apologize, I was just going on a random rant and I apologize for the repetitiveness. As you can see, I feel fairly passionate about this since that point of view REALLY pisses me off in it's ignorance .

Again though let me reiterate that people are free to like whatever they like. I am just stating my opinion that there is a "right and wrong" in this situation with regards to "originally intended." Again sorry I keep saying it, but I guess I have this small light of hope that someone will understand (other than those of you who already do).

Then again it's kind of trivial since this is the internet and well..internet threads...anyway....

As for the cave allegory doesn't that have to do with us being chained in the cave and only seeing the shadows as opposed to the whole picture. I thought the allegory was about how we think we know what we are seeing (the shadows), but in reality we are only seeing a silhouette (sp) of the truth (the things causing the shadows). I thought the whole allegory was about how easily manipulated we are and how we don't see the whole truth...ever...(shrug). It's a bit blurry since I studied that like 9 years ago when I was a Freshman in High School :gasp:

[dwchang]

I think that people need to realize that wolfwood, like vash, are supposed to come across as goofy/comic relief alot and someone with a very serious angsty voice isn't going to be able to get the job done as opposed to someone why was better at the goofy/comedy voice.

At the same time though, I think both Japanese VAs did an excellent job going between seriousness and goofiness. You must admit that the characters can be serious too and to not get one of them "right" ruins the character to a degree.