plaigerism question...

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:42 pm

Loveable Neko Kyou wrote:i see what you mean...she totally copied my videos >_< i watched the kyou one and now watching the inuyahsa an kagome..what the fuck man i'm so gonna e-mail her and ask the the hell she think she is doing using all my footage i can even see because of all the bad editing she's done....maybe i'll let her know in her opinons as well......>_<

I tried emailing her, but didn't get a response, so I'm reviewing the vids as I go along. The only one I didn't review so far was one where she used at least 3 vids - I figure that's not quite the same as using the entire video. They're about the lowest scores I've given, though - not much effort to cut a video into four or five parts and slap some music on there... ~_~

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:43 pm

SMITE HER DAMMIT!

Loveable Neko Kyou · Post by **Loveable Neko Kyou** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:44 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:
Loveable Neko Kyou wrote:i see what you mean...she totally copied my videos >_< i watched the kyou one and now watching the inuyahsa an kagome..what the fuck man i'm so gonna e-mail her and ask the the hell she think she is doing using all my footage i can even see because of all the bad editing she's done....maybe i'll let her know in her opinons as well......>_<
I tried emailing her, but didn't get a response, so I'm reviewing the vids as I go along. The only one I didn't review so far was one where she used at least 3 vids - I figure that's not quite the same as using the entire video. They're about the lowest scores I've given, though - not much effort to cut a video into four or five parts and slap some music on there... ~_~

ah well i have a yahoo group so i can post this in my group and get all my friends to e-mail her ^^;; maybe that will do her some good she can't ignore all of them i have about 46 members ^^

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:50 pm

Loveable Neko Kyou wrote:ah well i have a yahoo group so i can post this in my group and get all my friends to e-mail her ^^;; maybe that will do her some good she can't ignore all of them i have about 46 members ^^

Do it!

I would, but I don't know enough people. I'm just hoping my reviews will at least keep her from using the same creators over and over - if she knows it's not accepted and that *we* know what she's doing, maybe she'll stop. She's at a vid per day, though, and I just can't download and check them all that quickly (especially for anime I haven't seen).

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:52 pm

J-0080 wrote:SMITE HER DAMMIT!

I'm givin er all I got, cap'n!

I don't have the power.

Sephiroth · Post by **Sephiroth** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:27 pm

So in other words people cannot do to our work what we do to other peoples work? Even if we arent argueing about artwork, somone still edited all of those frames together. With many hours of work.

I'm not talking about if someone just puts up a copy of your vid and says it's yours. If somone uses a single scene from what you ripped off other creators, being the people that made the show. Then if it is rude to copy a little bit, then AMVs themselves are very rude and disrespectful and always will be.

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:39 pm

Well the main difference is that we give proper attribution to what we rip off. If someone ripped off a video, and said that this was the video that they ripped off, I doubt anyone would really care.

Org Profile · Post by **Phade** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:42 pm

Hey Sephiroth,

I think the idea more for me is more of using downloaded footage rather than a legitimate source. If someone wants to use the exact same sequencing that I used in their video, that is a different story than they just used the downloaded copy of the video I made and used the sequences there. I haven't seen any of this vidoes, but I can make a certain guess that they look like recompressed crap.

Phade.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:02 pm

Sephiroth wrote:I'm not talking about if someone just puts up a copy of your vid and says it's yours. If somone uses a single scene from what you ripped off other creators, being the people that made the show. Then if it is rude to copy a little bit, then AMVs themselves are very rude and disrespectful and always will be.

This isn't just taking a few scenes from a vid - if you do that you can do it without taking any of the editing - the storytelling. You're just taking clips that might as well have come from the original anime. But when you take a video that uses a few hundred clips in an order that is nothing like they appear in the original anime, then you aren't just reusing anime footage - you're taking the order that someone else put together to form a story. The same for effects that are added to an amv. Those effects belong entirely to the editor who put them there - they were not in the original anime and would not exist if the editor had not put them there - taking those is reproduction not just of already-stollen footage, but of edited (changed) footage.

Besides, the rules say not to steal someone's 'idea' - the ordering of an amv that is different from the scenes in the original anime (meaning they didn't just take the clips as they exist in the anime - they changed them to tell some sort of story). This is not the same as just taking isolated clips and using them for source footage. Copywrites and patents go on ideas as well as objects - and plagiarism isn't limited to taking a solid thing (footage) - it includes reproducing and claiming ownership over someone else's idea. At least with amvs (and fanfiction), the people using the anime give credit to it - the 'anime' listed in the vid description. If they use the stories (the scenes as they're ordered in the anime) then they give credit to where they got those ideas from - when they list the anime used. But using a video without giving credit to the person who created the story (you already give credit to the editors who *made* the anime when you list it *as* that anime for the source footage) - if you credit the anime creators, you should credit the amv creators who added to that footage. Alone, anime footage is nothing. Amvs involve creator input the same as fanfiction does - and it's that creator input which is being taken here - not just the source footage itself.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:12 pm

BogoSort wrote:Well the main difference is that we give proper attribution to what we rip off. If someone ripped off a video, and said that this was the video that they ripped off, I doubt anyone would really care.

I really wouldn't have cared if she'd done that.

But it would be better if she just took scenes instead of reproducing the entire videos...she does have 2 vids where she did that, so she knows how to take footage without taking ideas. It just isn't as easy or quick as it is to use an already-made video that tells a similar story to the one she wants. So far the 6 vids I've reviewed were cases where she saw a story she liked, took the video, chopped it up into a few pieces, slapped her song on it, and put her name in the credits.

And yes, the quality is low enough to hurt her without any help. But it's still taking other people's stories and editing and claiming them as her own. [Plagiarism being theft, giving credit is more like borrowing without permission - like standard 'disclaimers' in other fanwork.]