Should we consider The Boondocks or Avatar:TLA to be anime?

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:30 pm

This is anime styled how about we add this, I got tons of ideas with this!

Watch This

>.>
And for those who don't understand sarcasm i'll say this clearly.
I completely disagree with making those 2 animations being counted as accessible to the org.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:02 pm

There is no discussion. The answer is no.

/thread

76 · Post by 76 » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:06 am

......

^^your wrong, there is discussion, maybe no where you can stand, but that just means you don't belong in this discussion.

anyway, I think that shows like avatar and (never watched oban)
should be recognized as anime because what others here have said, they make an honest go at the anime style, and they do not mock the japanese culture or anime stylization.

shows like teen titans just swing at the ball with their eye's closed, not even sticking to any general style or composure. when ever the avatar is frightened his head doesn't blow into a blimp with tears jumping from his face like on teen titans,
or kappa mikey.

and honestly, if you had gone your entire life without knowing the word anime, would you have really shunned shows in the catagory of avatar and oban from this type of thing?

would the differences between the animations and styles really be apparent between say, avatar and dragonball? or...........might I say it, avatar and naruto?
I'm not going to deepen this but avatars styles, story, and delicate construction, have varified to me that it could stand chin-up with some of the more classic animes. but you have to take your head out of the box in order to see the similaritys

now I'm not just saying that any back-wood cartoon can jump out of nowhere and say "hey, I'm anime" but I think we should take into consideration that the terms
"manga, anime" used in japan refers to all forms of animation and cartoons, and if we're sticking to strict, "japanese" rules then we should use their termanology, and refer to all animations and comics as anime, unless stated otherwise

but to the japanese, babyloonytoons is anime, as well as shows like avatar and the boondocks,

also, where would afro samurai stand in all this? lets see you find a word to fit afro samurai and basilisk without being able to use the words anime and manga those shows would stand very close resemblances, no?

76 · Post by 76 » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:07 am

strike that last afro samurai comment--

Big Dumb Face · Post by **Big Dumb Face** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:26 pm

Look at it this way guys. There was a time when we (me and the few people i knew who actually watched the damn stuff) didnt even call it anime, we called it japanese animation. The two terms were synonymous. Because of some very obtuse misinformation, people would ask me "Anime? Isn;t that Japanese porn or something?"

But the point is, there was no question of style, If it came from japan, it was anime. Simple
Nowadays things are different. More and more american companies are putting out animations "in the style of japan". Well, ok. But how do you define that style? Now only certain animation from japan is considered anime, based on what? Everyone seems to have a variation on an opinion of this, but it seems no one can really agree on what makes anime anime. Big eyes, small mouth? More mature story lines? Interconnected episodes with linear continuity? Plot? Color pallettes? Take pokemon. Yes the episodes are technically connected, none of them requires knowledge of any other episodes, because they all follow the same formula. The color pallette is not that much greater than any american cartoon, and some far surpass it. Plot? C'mon.
The point is, when you talk about these lines, you have to start drawing them. And once you start drawing them, you'll see that not everything fits. Some anime will fall outside your line, and some NON-anime will start falling in. And I'm talking about cartoons NO ONE considers anime.
Lets face it, the main criteria for most of these american shows that are up for consideration is the way they are drawn. Boondocks, Titans, Avatar, (Kappa Mikey? Shaolin Showdown? Puffy AmiYumi?) And once they pass that criteria, the next one is, are they any good? "Well, teen titans is NOT an anime, because it doesn;t do justice to the medium it;s emulating, where as TLA IS anime because it far surpasses the others shows and even alot of genuine anime" Aha, but now we're making "anime" a value statement. So where will it go from here? If an anime from japan sucks, are we gonna take a vote and say "this sucked, there fore NOT an anime" And even if we DON'T go that far, what is the level of "good" a cartoon has to reach to be considered anime? TLA may or may not be a good show, but is that really what the determining factor should be?
If any american cartoon can be considered anime, all should be. If any american cartoon is considered NOT anime, none should be.

Millenear · Post by **Millenear** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:48 pm

Call me a bitch, but I see no need to get everyone's hackles raised over this. Even though I'm not a fan of Teen Titans, someone else may be & want to see a video of it. They'll see it as a great opportunity; I'll see it 'not something I want to download'.

Isn't that where it ultimately stops? If you want it in your computer, download it; if not, you have the right to veto/jettison that sucker.

Besides, I'm sure there are already sites *cough 'craptube'* that cater to this. Not to be a kiss-ass, but this isn't MY site or YOUR site. It's Phade's, he started it and it's at his discretion.

OzzieArcane · Post by **OzzieArcane** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:53 pm

Millenear wrote:Besides, I'm sure there are already sites *cough 'craptube'* that cater to this. Not to be a kiss-ass, but this isn't MY site or YOUR site. It's Phade's, he started it and it's at his discretion.

Don't ever suggest Youtube for fanmade music videos. Yeah it will get you some recognition for awhile, but it's only a matter of time before they delete it for copyright infringement. Heck a WWE music video I uploaded was deleted within a day. And after so many times your account is just flat out banned.

Not saying we should allow avatar, boondocks, or any other american animation or live action either for that matter. I'm just pointing out that Youtube isn't an option either. Infact aside from anime, I don't know of any options for a place to upload music videos.

OzzieArcane · Post by **OzzieArcane** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:54 pm

Sorry for the double post, but I'd just like to point out that since I haven't been on the forums in along time. I didn't realize that there was a filter to block the tube word.

Millenear · Post by **Millenear** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:34 pm

OzzieArcane said

Infact aside from anime, I don't know of any options for a place to upload music videos.

Science fiction shows/movies are big with this. I know that Dallascaper's Farscape site has been around for at least 10 years and hosts hundreds of fan-made videos, wallpapers, fanfic etc.

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:03 pm

I could've sworn this topic was brought up and shot down before, obviously we're still on the subject.

The Org already has got rid of all the non amvs back at 2004 or 05, I ferget but I'm sure those would still be included in the non anime category.

The only one of those 2 I even see come even closely to an anime would be The Boondocks due to the season 2 is animated some by Mad House.

But overall

Why Hasn't this thread locked yet? Or is it that the mods like a good laugh over something like this :/