Best New Creator

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:03 am

Ashton, would you be happy if everyone voted for you just because you asked that, and not because they enjoyed your video ?

If I were you, I'd prefer not winning anything and have good comments for my videos...

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 9:07 am

WilLoW :--) wrote:Ashton, would you be happy if everyone voted for you just because you asked that, and not because they enjoyed your video ?

If I were you, I'd prefer not winning anything and have good comments for my videos...

Hmm... sure.. why not.

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 9:08 am

Castor Troy wrote:
Ashton wrote:
Leanan wrote:
Ashton wrote:point I was trying to make: that video was created SPECIFICLY for the "Best First Video" category. I wanted more than anything when I came into this comunity to earn that award. I even went out and advertised to people to nominate it. Friends, family, whoever would create an account (I refuse to box stuff, or create a whole bunch of accounts or anything, I was getting honest votes, in a sort of in-honest way) but lo, and behold, I didn't even get nominated in that category. It's just a very humiliating thing to have something that I worked so hard on seemingly trashed, and in some instances to videos I thought OBVIOUSLY inferior. I guess it can all just be seen as artistic difference. As style. It just seems to me like there should be some universal goal... like... the scenes fit together... or... the timing is right. Maybe I'm exagerating, but it feels like that sometimes. And it's hard to deal with as an artist.
I don't mind begging, I just want some freaking recognition. But hey, even if I don't get the award, I'm still going to be at AX with my vids, and fanime, and elsewhere I'm sure. I apreciate those of you that took this seriously, and I'm saddened by those that took it any other way.
I think you are taking this way too hard on yourself. If you know you made a great video and others have seen it and told you the same, shouldn't that be enough?

I don't know. That's just my thoughts.
You are not me.

I have a bloodthirsty desire to win everything I attempt. If I don't win, there was no point in having played the game. That is just how I think.
Well... whatever motivates you to make videos... I guess. At least you're being honest.

But are awards truly what they're cracked up to be? There is such a thing as a poor winner.

I can't be a poor winned if I don't win! 0_0
That was the point!

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 9:16 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Just one more thing to add here, the main reason I got back into making AMVs back in 2000 is to meet and talk with all you talented individuals here... Contests have always been a part of this community and I have very much enjoyed them regardless of it I've made it into them or won anything. I see nothing wrong with them as long as we respect each other and the decision of the judging. Yes we may not all agree with all of our or the judges decisions, but that no reason we have to have heated debates or Flame wars over it.

It would really be a shame to start to hate contests just because we can't have respect for the nominees or the winners as well as EVERYONE who entrees them... All the anime fans out there so much enjoy the contests and all our videos so in a way everyone who enters to make them possible are winners....

Vlad

But I wasn't the one who was flaming anyway! That had nothing to do with me, a couple of haters just decided to get mad at me for wanting the award and saying so.
Regarding the previous post, it shouldn't be how long you've been around, it should be how hard you work, and what the product is. If the contest is based on anything else, than it's simply a slanted contest (not that I'm saying I've ever been entered into a truly fair one, and not that I'm complaining) but the way you make it sound, it's almost like those who have been around longest should earn awards, and that is not how I think. Becides, it would be rather ironic for this particular award to go to the person who has been around the longest. ^_^
It's funny that you should mention the whole "people like it = satisfaction" thing, because I did believe that for a long time. The problem I had was that EVERYONE "likes" my videos. I have never recieved a fully "negative" review before, and all my friends and everyone I have ever met personaly are extatic about the videos. Even so, and even though I've entered in so many contests, still nothing. I did agree. There was a time when people saying "this video is the best thing I have evar seen!!!!!!!1" would be enough, but I realized that those opinions are a dime a dozen, and they don't mean anything without the awards to back it up. And THAT is how I came to that conclusion.

Kwasek · Post by **Kwasek** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:23 am

Ashton wrote:I realized that those opinions are a dime a dozen, and they don't mean anything without the awards to back it up. And THAT is how I came to that conclusion.

Completely, utterly wrong wrong wrong. Awards are impersonal and have no real lasting value. The emails you receive will be the first things you remember when you think back to your videos.

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:00 am

Kwasek wrote:
Ashton wrote:I realized that those opinions are a dime a dozen, and they don't mean anything without the awards to back it up. And THAT is how I came to that conclusion.
Completely, utterly wrong wrong wrong. Awards are impersonal and have no real lasting value. The emails you receive will be the first things you remember when you think back to your videos.

Only if you allow your memory to be clowded with nastalgia, and delude yourself into believeing that those E-mails represent the majority of the viewerships opinion. I'm of the opinion that those E-mails and reviews are the top 2% of people who liked your video most. The silent majority most likely liked it less, and some may even dislike it. Awards are not personal, but at least it represents the opinion of a person who knows what they are talking about/isn't reviewing your video because they are extatic about it.

Kusoyaro · Post by **Kusoyaro** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:02 am

Kwasek wrote:
Ashton wrote:I realized that those opinions are a dime a dozen, and they don't mean anything without the awards to back it up. And THAT is how I came to that conclusion.
Completely, utterly wrong wrong wrong. Awards are impersonal and have no real lasting value. The emails you receive will be the first things you remember when you think back to your videos.

I agree. Ashton, you seem so obsessed with winning awards that you might as well just pay off the voters to get your damn name announced as the winner. AMV making isn't a competition. It's a creative endeavor. But, of course, you don't seem to care about that. AMV contests are competitions, I suppose, and if you "lose" (I'm sure, from reading your posts, that the honor of simply being nominated will mean nothing to you), then that's that. If you consider it that much of a competition, then you should be prepared to face the fact that, if you don't win, it means someone was better than you. You can argue about the politics of the voting, but unless you have reason to believe that someone "cheated", then you might as well just bitch and moan that you weren't good enough this time around.

(Note: I haven't seen any of Ashton's work, but I was just commenting on the general nature of "competition")

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:03 am

Ashton wrote:
Kwasek wrote:
Ashton wrote:I realized that those opinions are a dime a dozen, and they don't mean anything without the awards to back it up. And THAT is how I came to that conclusion.
Completely, utterly wrong wrong wrong. Awards are impersonal and have no real lasting value. The emails you receive will be the first things you remember when you think back to your videos.
Only if you allow your memory to be clowded with nastalgia, and delude yourself into believeing that those E-mails represent the majority of the viewerships opinion. I'm of the opinion that those E-mails and reviews are the top 2% of people who liked your video most. The silent majority most likely liked it less, and some may even dislike it. Awards are not personal, but at least it represents the opinion of a person who knows what they are talking about/isn't reviewing your video because they are extatic about it.

Dude your treating this like it's Wallstreet.

This is art.

Machine · Post by **Machine** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:31 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:
Kwasek wrote:
Ashton wrote:I realized that those opinions are a dime a dozen, and they don't mean anything without the awards to back it up. And THAT is how I came to that conclusion.
Completely, utterly wrong wrong wrong. Awards are impersonal and have no real lasting value. The emails you receive will be the first things you remember when you think back to your videos.
I agree. Ashton, you seem so obsessed with winning awards that you might as well just pay off the voters to get your damn name announced as the winner. AMV making isn't a competition. It's a creative endeavor. But, of course, you don't seem to care about that. AMV contests are competitions, I suppose, and if you "lose" (I'm sure, from reading your posts, that the honor of simply being nominated will mean nothing to you), then that's that. If you consider it that much of a competition, then you should be prepared to face the fact that, if you don't win, it means someone was better than you. You can argue about the politics of the voting, but unless you have reason to believe that someone "cheated", then you might as well just bitch and moan that you weren't good enough this time around.

(Note: I haven't seen any of Ashton's work, but I was just commenting on the general nature of "competition")

AMV contest I believe are the most fun when you competeing along with your piers. AnimeFEST this year was great when Wonka, Julian, MJ and I were all there together seeing who would reign. Then we took victory pictures together (even though I Lost

).

Even I will admit, when I first started almost 3 years ago editing, I thought the Ashton did. If I didn't win anything, no one woudl know who I am and I wouldn't get the chance to meet or talk to anyone because I was no good. Completely the opposite. If anything, I found out winning wasnt everything. There would be times where I wouldn't win anything yet the crowd reaction was just so great that I didn't need an award.

I even learned alot from Vlad when I frist met him at AX 2002. He told me "Never expect anything in AMV contests." Indeed he was very right and since then, I've actually enjoyed my AMV making to its fullest extent.

And ashton, YOU WILL REMEMBER THE EMAILS. I still remember getting emails from AKUMA, Darkeye Studios, and Fallen Angel Studios a while back telling me how my work has inspired them to create their own works of AMVS (others as well but naming what I know off the top of my head).

Those emails are probably the best reward of all.

Hehe, I bet even Hsien and Will Milberry still remember when I wrote to them about inpiration almost 3 years ago.

I think Ashton needs some AWA9 time. Meeting alot of your piers can really change your opinions about alot of things

paizuri · Post by **paizuri** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:53 pm

Ashton wrote:I want you to know honestly that I am not arrogant...

Ashton wrote:...the point I was trying to make: that video was created SPECIFICLY for the "Best First Video" category. It's just a very humiliating thing to have something that I worked so hard on seemingly trashed, and in some instances to videos I thought OBVIOUSLY inferior. I guess it can all just be seen as artistic difference. As style. It just seems to me like there should be some universal goal... like... the scenes fit together... or... the timing is right. Maybe I'm exagerating, but it feels like that sometimes. And it's hard to deal with as an artist.

Well, you come off as being arrogant. Just because you made a video which you thought was really good for a first video, who are you to say that no one else worked just as hard as you, if not harder?

Ashton wrote:I don't mind begging, I just want some freaking recognition. But hey, even if I don't get the award, I'm still going to be at AX with my vids, and fanime, and elsewhere I'm sure. I apreciate those of you that took this seriously, and I'm saddened by those that took it any other way.

Do you really want to be known as "that guy that begs a lot"? Let your work prove itself and if it doesn't, then maybe it's really not all that great. Sure, there are popular creators whose latest videos everyone tries to get, but at some point they were relative unknowns and they were probably just as "unrecognized" as you feel you are right now. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that you're the only person that has ever felt that way. In fact, I'd be willing to say that at least a few creators have felt the way you do. Feeling un(der)appreciated doesn't make you more special than anyone else or deserving of recognition.