Legal?

shinto · Post by **shinto** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 5:41 pm

So what your saying is that it is illegal to put it up for download?

TekkaRepliroid Zero · Post by **TekkaRepliroid Zero** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 8:02 pm

Technically. As has been said, one of the two major people whose toes we're stepping on pretend to not notice us because we give them free advertising and they know it is free advertising (this is the Anime Companies, note to Petro, AMVs are not an industry :P ). The RIAA are an anal buch of dimwits that don't understand the benefits that come with AMVs and are afraid of technology they are incapable of understanding, such as the internet :P . We don't show up on their radar because of the massively large filesizes AMVs tend to be, but if that changes, it could be trouble.

Anime Jedi · Post by **Anime Jedi** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 8:03 pm

Yah. The idea that they might be illegal came to my mind too. I'm more concerned with the music that you're using, than the anime. We all know that napster had problems with the law. So what's so different about AMVs? You know how people are always wanting royalties, and unlike the anime, you're showing the whole song. It's not like you're showing the entire anime series.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:30 am

if its aired on TV is it legal to download? cuz I've seen macross plus, bio hunter, twilight of the dark master, psycho diver, buble gum crisis, ghost in the shell, birdy the mighty, new dominion tank police, tekken, battle arena toshinden, gunsmith cats, shadow skill, and a few (and by few I mean THOUSANDS) or animes aired on television. I figure if its aired on TV and legal ot record and own on tape then I can own a copy of the anime on my comp that I download from someone else.

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 1:56 am

funny... I've seen most of those on TV too, 'cept that I saw them on premium channels, and that might be the fine line between shown on TV and legal for internet distro. Truth be known I really don't know though.

dokidoki · Post by **dokidoki** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:08 am

(Standard disclaimer: I am not a lawyer)
CaTaClYsM: Let's say you subscribe to CoolMovieChannel1, and tape NeatoMovie from it. CoolMovieChannel1 has permission from the copyright holders to air it, and under fair use laws, you can tape it to watch at a later time or whatever. When downloading anime, however, usually the provider (say, Usenet poster or FTP archiver) does NOT have permission to distribute, so the law's being broken on their end at least. Exception: Sites like Sputnik7 and one of Cartoon Network's sites stream anime from time to time, but I don't know about the legality of saving it.

But, if you download NeatoMovie from Joe, and it aired on CMC1 yesterday, and you subscribe to CMC1, you could try and claim the copy you got from Joe was taped from TV (a la TiVo), but still, Joe didn't have permission to supply you with NeatoMovie.

I heard the argument years ago that movie channels were against people lending taped movies to friends without subscriptions, and that technically, any movies you tape from their channels should be deleted when your subscription lapses, but I haven't heard about any lawsuits over these matters.

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:59 am

You know, while this is very interesting and educational, it really is just that: educational. Since we can pretty well see based on the history of the matter that the companies don't care we can all feel safe in the fact that they will continue to not care. I mean, we haven't even heard so much as a peep of a warning from anyone (have we?) so I really think it would be odd if one of the companies just "out of the blue" decided, "Hey, we're going to go sue joe blow for this even though there are thousands of these guys running around all over the internet". And just like Napster/other p2p file sharing, even if that post-apocalyptic dreaded day does come that the various industries and companies does decide to go on a rampage and round up all of us for some bizarre reverse class action lawsuit, we will survive in clusters and pockets of sharing all across this vast internet like small rodents we will continue to multiply and evade capture and scurry from one side of the 'net to the other to avoid being smashed. I think the only thing I'm really worried about is the loss of our dear animemusicvideos.org which could very easily be crushed under corporate weight. Simply put, I intend to keep doing what I'm doing, are any of you really scared?

dokidoki · Post by **dokidoki** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 3:37 am

Ashton wrote:I mean, we haven't even heard so much as a peep of a warning from anyone (have we?)

The Legal Representation of the Artist Sometimes Known as Prince sent Joe (Maboroshi) a cease and decist to get his "Peaches" video offline. He took it offline.

Simply put, I intend to keep doing what I'm doing, are any of you really scared?

This is a discussion board. I'm discussing.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 3:44 am

Yes,well,Prince/Symbol Man is a poof anyway. And he'll sue over anything.

Melfina · Post by **Melfina** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 5:22 am

My hole opinion, is that when I asked my webhost if it was a violation of their user agreement to host these video files they said that it was alright as long as the footage was not misrepresenting the footage used...not exactly sure what that means, but hey, if my host doesn't have a problem with it, then it isn't something that can be considered illegal.