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Post by XStylus » Thu May 29, 2008 9:51 pm

Kazemon15 wrote:
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Bump, can I get a response to my post on page 7 please? :?
I was wondering if I could get a small feedback on my video as well. (Beneath the Rose)

I wondered what I did wrong. Was it the scans (I hope not, since my dear friend took a great deal of time to make them anime-like) or was it the editing? .... =/
Doing something "wrong" is a subjective thing. As far as the rules are concerned, you only did something "wrong" if you violated a rule and thus got DQ'd. That said, there are certain factors that, while not "wrong", can affect the appreciation of a video.

Although I saw so many videos during judging that I can't recall your video specifically (thus what I'm about to say may or may not apply to you), I do feel the need to discuss something which, in my own opinion as just one judge, I feel could have been improved upon for some entries this year. That something is video quality.

For me, experience is everything. It is extremely difficult for me to focus on what the creator is trying to convey if there is an on-screen distraction that it takes me out of the experience. Macroblocks, jagged edges, poorly hidden subtitles, and network/Divx logos are just such a distraction, and an enormous one at that.

Those distractions are generally the result of either using poor source footage (ANY kind of downloaded footage = macroblocks and jaggies galore), poor capture settings, or using poor compression settings when rendering the final product. Don't forget that what looks good enough on your computer monitor might not look quite so hot when blown up on a 180" screen, so everything has to be as good as possible at every step of the capture/render process.

I realize not everyone is an expert on ripping/capturing/rendering, but there are many FAQs available out there that instruct AMV makers on how to avoid such problems (I believe Michael is making another one), and they're very helpful and easy to follow. I unfortunately saw a disappointing number of videos with visual distractions such as those described above, and although they each had their merits, those distractions could not help but weigh heavily in my voting.

Frankly though, methinks I'm preaching to the converted here, and I fear that the people who most need to pay attention to my words above are people who aren't reading this thread. :)

And as for audio, I think we've already covered the topic of audio quality, so I won't beat the dead horse on that topic.

I look forward to seeing everyone's videos again next year -- that is, unless I get off my lazy butt and decide to enter one myself. 8-)

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Post by Kazemon15 » Fri May 30, 2008 12:15 am

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=/ I can understand about the jagged lines and stuff. I talked to James last year after the AMV awards and he gave me alot of advice as well as what he looks for in videos. He told me even if a video does have such distractions such as jagged lines and whatnot, the overall video can surpass that if it's good enough.

He also mentioned that not all DVDs (such as boxsets) are as clear. Since some dvds cram 5 or 6 episodes on one disk, lowering the quality. So even if it was ripped properly, it would still be a lower quality. (Not everyone has the money to buy individual volumes) I believe a video should be judged on quantity not quality. If the quality is decent enough and the video is very good, I think that's all that should matter.... =/

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Post by ToriK1 » Fri May 30, 2008 12:28 am

Alright I came here from the other thread hearing that I may be able to get some help here. See I love making AMVs, but I love making a better AMV each time I make one. If I work it this way then over time I will always improve and get better.

I had heard that the judging scale had been done in numbers, so I was wondering if I could get my hands on either the numbers or perhaps some feedback. I know you guys are all busy, but I really want to be able to enter next year, so I want to improve all my weaker areas. :)

So yeah anything anyone could do would be a real help. I entered the following videos:

How Far Has Arjuna Come: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EyEYCvQ_38
Ouran's Tootie Frutie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZPg17knrII

Thanks ahead of time.

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Post by XStylus » Fri May 30, 2008 1:05 am

Kazemon15 wrote:^

=/ I can understand about the jagged lines and stuff. I talked to James last year after the AMV awards and he gave me alot of advice as well as what he looks for in videos. He told me even if a video does have such distractions such as jagged lines and whatnot, the overall video can surpass that if it's good enough.
In all honesty, jagged lines is something I'm not as much of a hardass on because sometimes it can be a result of the playback program, and I took that into account during judging. I've seen Quicktime do jaggies that on some files that were perfectly encoded, yet VLC plays them beautifully. But massive macroblocks and Divx logos though... Grrrr...

Granted, just because a video has them doesn't mean it sucks, and it didn't automatically guarantee a video the kiss of death from me (video quality was only one of five criteria we were judging on). Still, it's a pet peeve of mine because it takes just an ounce of care to assure good quality.
He also mentioned that not all DVDs (such as boxsets) are as clear. Since some dvds cram 5 or 6 episodes on one disk, lowering the quality.
Almost all legit boxsets contain the exact same discs as the singles, just repackaged with a pretty box. ADV is the only one that puts different discs in their sets, and they just remove extras to fit in an additional episode. Buy them with confidence.

Bootleg sets, however, are poor quality and cram too many episodes per disc, so those should be avoided at all costs. That's an explosively volatile subject with me so that's all I'll say on that matter.
I believe a video should be judged on quantity not quality. If the quality is decent enough and the video is very good, I think that's all that should matter.... =/
Er... I disagree with the quantity vs. quality part, but I wholeheartedly agree with the rest of that sentence. It's just that this judge's opinion of decent doesn't include Divx logos and large macroblocks. 8-)
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Post by XStylus » Fri May 30, 2008 1:31 am

ToriK1 wrote: How Far Has Arjuna Come: http://www.boochsack.com/watch?v=7EyEYCvQ_38
Ouran's Tootie Frutie: http://www.boochsack.com/watch?v=XZPg17knrII
So you made the Arjuna video? Nice! I don't remember it in great detail, but I remember that after I watched it I was interested in watching the series, and that's probably one of the highest complements an AMV can receive. I gave your video decent marks.

Good work. :)

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Post by DigitalPanther » Fri May 30, 2008 1:39 am

OK boys and girls... sorry for the short notice on this but I have been asked to write a 100 word or less descriptor of the amv contest. There is a reason. I will tell you why later, its good I promise.

Anyway. I have to have it in tonight before I go home from work (4am pst).

What I have so far sucks.
I am asking for y'alls input. here is what I have so far. Like I said I know it sucks. Help me make it awesome.
BEGIN PASTE

Anime Music Video Contest
One of the oldest and most popular contests at Anime Expo. The Anime Music Video Contest is a chance for Anime fans and editors to show off their creative editing abilities by creating Music Videos as tributes to their favorite anime.
With varying genres be it Drama, Action/Adventure, Comedy or AMTVPro, you will see some of the most eye popping and impressive “amateur” music videos done to your favorite anime titles.
MTV ain’t got nothing on us!

END PASTE
-DP

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Post by XStylus » Fri May 30, 2008 1:46 am

DigitalPanther wrote:OK boys and girls... sorry for the short notice on this but I have been asked to write a 100 word or less descriptor of the amv contest. There is a reason. I will tell you why later, its good I promise.
[whistles quietly...]
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Post by ToriK1 » Fri May 30, 2008 1:48 am

xstylus wrote:
ToriK1 wrote: How Far Has Arjuna Come: http://www.boochsack.com/watch?v=7EyEYCvQ_38
Ouran's Tootie Frutie: http://www.boochsack.com/watch?v=XZPg17knrII
So you made the Arjuna video? Nice! I don't remember it in great detail, but I remember that after I watched it I was interested in watching the series, and that's probably one of the highest complements an AMV can receive. I gave your video decent marks.

Good work. :)
Thank you very much. I worked very hard on it. After I heard the song on the radio I could just see the series playing along with the music.

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Post by DigitalPanther » Fri May 30, 2008 1:53 am

ToriK1 wrote: I had heard that the judging scale had been done in numbers, so I was wondering if I could get my hands on either the numbers or perhaps some feedback. I know you guys are all busy, but I really want to be able to enter next year, so I want to improve all my weaker areas. :)

Thanks ahead of time.
I will not be releasing or sharing the details of what amv received what scores.
That is just asking for drama. Also, while Troy(as the only judge who really outted himself) may vote his numbers with emphasis on video quality, another may vote more on timing and suitability of concept. We very deliberately tried to select judges with varying tastes to get a good cross sampling. Unfortunately alot of my originally preffered judges either A: entered the contest or B: had last minute life interferences that required scrambling for a few to replace the ones that couldn't make it and fill out to the desired pool size.
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Post by ToriK1 » Fri May 30, 2008 1:59 am

DigitalPanther wrote:
ToriK1 wrote: I had heard that the judging scale had been done in numbers, so I was wondering if I could get my hands on either the numbers or perhaps some feedback. I know you guys are all busy, but I really want to be able to enter next year, so I want to improve all my weaker areas. :)

Thanks ahead of time.
I will not be releasing or sharing the details of what amv received what scores.
That is just asking for drama. Also, while Troy(as the only judge who really outted himself) may vote his numbers with emphasis on video quality, another may vote more on timing and suitability of concept. We very deliberately tried to select judges with varying tastes to get a good cross sampling. Unfortunately alot of my originally preffered judges either A: entered the contest or B: had last minute life interferences that required scrambling for a few to replace the ones that couldn't make it and fill out to the desired pool size.
-DP
Well now, I never thought of it like that. Thanks for responding so quickly. I also understand that one judge may sway one way over another. If possible, then I'd like to hear from all the judges. I'm big on getting more than one opinion and finding a range of places to improve. I mean currently the only thing I have, is my mother. She knows nothing of anime, and if I can get her to understand a series or feel for it, then I've done something right.

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