Am I the only chick anime fan who DOESN'T like yaoi?

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Post by BishounenStalker » Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:31 pm

Heero_Yuy84 wrote:While I'm a guy, I might as well just say, part of what bugs me about it isn't the fact it's two guys going at it...rather the fact that the fans of it try to stick it into EVERY series even when it was never meant to work...Hell, I even remember one person convinced any series could have it "If you looked hard enough"

Whew...sorry...Fanfiction.net's been turning me into one bitter, cynical bastard lately...
LMAO! You took the words right out of my mouth. There are way too many series out there that are victims of yaoi fan rape. Trigun, MSG (you wouldn't believe how big the Char/Amuro underground is), Final Fantasy, and of course Gundam Wing are the biggies. The worst thing is when they make up the STUPIDEST arguments for why Vash and Wolfwood are gay, or why random Gundam pilots (including those besides Wing, though Wing is by far the most raped) are doing it even though they've never had a scene together. And when you shoot down said arguments with actual in-show evidence, the yaoi fans get all huffy about it.

S'ok about FF.net, they've been on my hit list for a while. And now they're on my All-Out-Burn-In-Hell List for this dumbass crusade against NC-17 fic. Not just the yaoi fic, but ALL adult fic in general. What mainly pisses me off is that there's a category for everything...EXCEPT yaoi. It'd be nice to have two Gundam Wing sections: one for yaoi, one for het. That way I don't have to go through 20 pages of fic to find a straight one.

The other thing that pisses me off about yaoi fic in general is that 99% of it is romantic fluff or plotless crap that's completely out of character. Not to mention that the characters are dummed down to the point of ridiculousness, and reduced to the cardboard props they never were (ie: Vash being a total idiot, Wolfwood a manslut, etc.).

So yeah, FF.net's turned me into a bitter, cynical bitch, too :lol:
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Post by Clara Yuri Asaki » Mon Feb 03, 2003 2:23 pm

I'm not too crazy about yaoi either.

Of course..... I'm a yuri girl. (but everyone already knew that anyways......) :roll:
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Post by Heero_Yuy84 » Mon Feb 03, 2003 2:39 pm

[quote="BishounenStalkerLMAO! You took the words right out of my mouth. There are way too many series out there that are victims of yaoi fan rape. Trigun, MSG (you wouldn't believe how big the Char/Amuro underground is), Final Fantasy, and of course Gundam Wing are the biggies.[/quote]
*surprised at the following of Char/Amuro* I mean...I knew Char/Garma was big (because we all know when you love someone, you plot against them, make attempts on their lives, laugh when one attempt finally takes and then speak ill of them during their funeral...)(/sarcasm)
Also gonna add that G Gundam's been going through the fan rape pretty quickly as well (I could hang myself with the number of god-awful attempts I've witnessed attempting to make Chibodee and George a couple...THIS was what I was afraid of happening back when I was watching the fansubs)
The worst thing is when they make up the STUPIDEST arguments for why Vash and Wolfwood are gay, or why random Gundam pilots (including those besides Wing, though Wing is by far the most raped) are doing it even though they've never had a scene together. And when you shoot down said arguments with actual in-show evidence, the yaoi fans get all huffy about it.
Oh God...won't even start to rant on this one (has been accused of being homophobic so many times the word's starting to lose meaning.)
What really cracks me up about Wing is the fact that some of the people responsible for that have never watched an episode of the series, and are working with second-hand info from the web.
*Has made it a hobby to shoot down the G slash*
Mostly because it's easy enough to point out the holes, and it's not in such overwhelming numbers
S'ok about FF.net, they've been on my hit list for a while. And now they're on my All-Out-Burn-In-Hell List for this dumbass crusade against NC-17 fic. Not just the yaoi fic, but ALL adult fic in general. What mainly pisses me off is that there's a category for everything...EXCEPT yaoi. It'd be nice to have two Gundam Wing sections: one for yaoi, one for het. That way I don't have to go through 20 pages of fic to find a straight one.
Wow...I'm impressed (can't even get through 5 pages of the Wing section anymore before it looks like it's repeating)
Ironically, the NC-17-ban is in part due to all the slash...I'm guesing they got complaints from parents whose kids stumbled across, say, Pokemon slash...
The other thing that pisses me off about yaoi fic in general is that 99% of it is romantic fluff or plotless crap that's completely out of character. Not to mention that the characters are dummed down to the point of ridiculousness, and reduced to the cardboard props they never were (ie: Vash being a total idiot, Wolfwood a manslut, etc.).
What's really sad is that some authors seem quite proud of the fact it's OOC (some of them in the Wing section anyways...come to think of it...notice how the majority of the stories make no mention of the Gundams outside of in the title)

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Post by BishounenStalker » Mon Feb 03, 2003 3:18 pm

*surprised at the following of Char/Amuro* I mean...I knew Char/Garma was big (because we all know when you love someone, you plot against them, make attempts on their lives, laugh when one attempt finally takes and then speak ill of them during their funeral...)(/sarcasm)
Also gonna add that G Gundam's been going through the fan rape pretty quickly as well (I could hang myself with the number of god-awful attempts I've witnessed attempting to make Chibodee and George a couple...THIS was what I was afraid of happening back when I was watching the fansubs)
Oh God I know what you mean. But you know how it is. Hormonal immature fangirls automatically equate trying to kill each other with trying to jump each other. As for G Gundam, the fan rape on THAT one is starting to genuinely frighten me.
Oh God...won't even start to rant on this one (has been accused of being homophobic so many times the word's starting to lose meaning.)
What really cracks me up about Wing is the fact that some of the people responsible for that have never watched an episode of the series, and are working with second-hand info from the web.
*Has made it a hobby to shoot down the G slash*
Mostly because it's easy enough to point out the holes, and it's not in such overwhelming numbers
I know. I actually got fed up enough to chew some 13-year-old bitch out at the anime club for equating dislike of yaoi with homophobia. Received a standing ovation from every guy in the vicinity, too.

As for the idiots who go along with the yaoi-ism and have never seen a frelling episode of Wing, I love standing them up with in-show facts that fanon tends to either ignore or twist for story's sake, then watch them deny it like they know everything. Then get told off by a GUY who knows what I'm talking about because like me he's seen every episode plus EW. The funniest encounter I had like that was some 15-year-old twerp trying to convince me that GW had 65 episodes, and that Treize and Zechs kissed in the last one. Being a rabid Treize fan, I chewed her out something awful and told her to come back when she'd actually watched a freaking episode (and received yet another standing ovation).
Wow...I'm impressed (can't even get through 5 pages of the Wing section anymore before it looks like it's repeating)
Ironically, the NC-17-ban is in part due to all the slash...I'm guesing they got complaints from parents whose kids stumbled across, say, Pokemon slash...
This is ever so true. It's mostly because of the voluminous slash fic in that cesspool that ALL adult fic got burned in the Great Inquisition. Including one I had written for Final Fantasy 7 (a 13-chapter monster that I'm still working on. If you're interested, I have it hosted at its own website. Screw FF.net: Thy Kingdom Come). And it was only for two measily scenes! Yet another reason to add to my list for despising slash. As much as they like to deny it, it IS because of them that FF.net sucks so badly now. Not to say it didn't suck before, but now it's just ten times worse.
What's really sad is that some authors seem quite proud of the fact it's OOC (some of them in the Wing section anyways...come to think of it...notice how the majority of the stories make no mention of the Gundams outside of in the title)
It's not just in Wing, I hate to tell you. The Harry Potter section's infested with it, too, among others (and don't even bother with LotR. That's worse than Wing for fan rape factor). What pisses me off is that a lot of the authors ARE proud of the OOC crap they write. And I think it's one reason our country's going to Hell in a bullet train. We not only tolerate mediocrity and stuff that doesn't even have a level of horridness, people are actually PROUD of it. What's worse is when said authors can't take constructive criticism. They don't understand the difference between pointing out mistakes in a fic, and a personal attack.

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Post by Heero_Yuy84 » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:38 pm

BishounenStalker wrote:Oh God I know what you mean. But you know how it is. Hormonal immature fangirls automatically equate trying to kill each other with trying to jump each other. As for G Gundam, the fan rape on THAT one is starting to genuinely frighten me.
It's already officially frightened me (earlier found a story hinting at Domon/Schwarz, aka I-can't-believe-it's-not-incest)
For the record, it's thanks to G Gundam's fan rape that I fear for Gundam X's US prospects (especially concerning Witz, Roybea, and the Frost Bros)
I know. I actually got fed up enough to chew some 13-year-old bitch out at the anime club for equating dislike of yaoi with homophobia. Received a standing ovation from every guy in the vicinity, too.
13?!? Damn, they're getting younger (that chew-out must have been great though)
As for the idiots who go along with the yaoi-ism and have never seen a frelling episode of Wing, I love standing them up with in-show facts that fanon tends to either ignore or twist for story's sake, then watch them deny it like they know everything. Then get told off by a GUY who knows what I'm talking about because like me he's seen every episode plus EW. The funniest encounter I had like that was some 15-year-old twerp trying to convince me that GW had 65 episodes, and that Treize and Zechs kissed in the last one. Being a rabid Treize fan, I chewed her out something awful and told her to come back when she'd actually watched a freaking episode (and received yet another standing ovation).
(Side note: Heh heh...gotta love Farscape)
65 eps?! That's a new one...damn, they'll try anything
(Again, that must have been great to witness)

This is ever so true. It's mostly because of the voluminous slash fic in that cesspool that ALL adult fic got burned in the Great Inquisition. Including one I had written for Final Fantasy 7 (a 13-chapter monster that I'm still working on. If you're interested, I have it hosted at its own website. Screw FF.net: Thy Kingdom Come). And it was only for two measily scenes! Yet another reason to add to my list for despising slash. As much as they like to deny it, it IS because of them that FF.net sucks so badly now. Not to say it didn't suck before, but now it's just ten times worse.
Hmm...I'll have to look into that one in the future (can't just yet because...honestly, I've yet to play FFVII...there, I said it!)
It's not just in Wing, I hate to tell you. The Harry Potter section's infested with it, too, among others (and don't even bother with LotR. That's worse than Wing for fan rape factor). What pisses me off is that a lot of the authors ARE proud of the OOC crap they write. And I think it's one reason our country's going to Hell in a bullet train. We not only tolerate mediocrity and stuff that doesn't even have a level of horridness, people are actually PROUD of it. What's worse is when said authors can't take constructive criticism. They don't understand the difference between pointing out mistakes in a fic, and a personal attack.
Yeah, I heard about HP (on an up note, apparently Rowling's lawyers are starting to crack down on that:
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=13492003)
LOTR...God, I won't even go in there...not since the day I stumbled in to find them writing Legolas rape fiction (maybe it's just me, but as a rule, I generally find rape fiction to be in pretty poor taste)
Oh man...I've seen the authors who take criticism as a personal attack...got flamed by so many of them who thought I was flaming them (including one guy who tried to use one of my own stories against me without even realizing the story was a parody)
I gotta agree with the part about it being a key reason we're going down the crapper. At the very least, it gives the impression that, in this day and age, romance really IS dead.

Here endeth another rambling session...
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Post by Golden Saucer » Mon Feb 03, 2003 8:01 pm

Yaoi can burn in hell, and if it takes yuri down along with it, im fine with that!
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Post by TekkaRepliroid Zero » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:03 pm

Clara Yuri Asaki wrote:I'm not too crazy about yaoi either.

Of course..... I'm a yuri girl. (but everyone already knew that anyways......) :roll:
Yay! ^_^ I like her.
Golden Saucer wrote:Yaoi can burn in hell, and if it takes yuri down along with it, im fine with that!
Boo! I hate you. Way to be open-minded, Saucer.
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Post by Zarxrax » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:17 pm

Golden Saucer wrote:Yaoi can burn in hell, and if it takes yuri down along with it, im fine with that!
Ahem... there's nothing wrong with yuri...

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Post by Jace Tsunami » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:31 pm

Golden Saucer wrote:As i said

GAY = GAY

GAY = BAD

bad gay

NOW ONE MORE TIME kids, so that you remember the lesson!

GAY = GAY

GAY = BAD

bad gay

NOW ONE LAST TIME kids, so that you remember the lesson and pass it on to the future generations!

GAY = GAY

GAY = BAD

bad gay

GAY GAY GAY GAY, is the reason for all misfortunes on EartH!!
you said ONE more time, that was TWO DOUCHEBAG!
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Post by BishounenStalker » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:01 pm

Heero_Yuy84 wrote:It's already officially frightened me (earlier found a story hinting at Domon/Schwarz, aka I-can't-believe-it's-not-incest)
For the record, it's thanks to G Gundam's fan rape that I fear for Gundam X's US prospects (especially concerning Witz, Roybea, and the Frost Bros)
LMAO!@"I Can't Believe It's Not Incest" Almost as bad as the alarming number of Trowa/Catherine fics I've run into.

Gundam X is heading over here?! I REALLY want to be happy about it, but like you I'm afraid of what the idiot fans will do to it (considering what they've done to Wing and G).
(Side note: Heh heh...gotta love Farscape)
65 eps?! That's a new one...damn, they'll try anything
(Again, that must have been great to witness)
Hell yes. Must love the wonder that WAS Farscape (is pretty sore about it getting canned).

Hmm...I'll have to look into that one in the future (can't just yet because...honestly, I've yet to play FFVII...there, I said it!)
Why's that a bad thing? One of those three friends I mentioned who stand up for me against the YaoiNazis didn't get her hands on FF7 until last year. First words out of her mouth: "So that's who the spikey haired freaks from Ergheiz are!"
Yeah, I heard about HP (on an up note, apparently Rowling's lawyers are starting to crack down on that:
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=13492003)
LOTR...God, I won't even go in there...not since the day I stumbled in to find them writing Legolas rape fiction (maybe it's just me, but as a rule, I generally find rape fiction to be in pretty poor taste)
Oh man...I've seen the authors who take criticism as a personal attack...got flamed by so many of them who thought I was flaming them (including one guy who tried to use one of my own stories against me without even realizing the story was a parody)
I gotta agree with the part about it being a key reason we're going down the crapper. At the very least, it gives the impression that, in this day and age, romance really IS dead.

Here endeth another rambling session...
As much as I'm all for free speech, I almost hope the C&D letters are real. It's high time ONE creator out there put a legal stop to the fan rape of their creation (or if its a hoax, I praise whoever it was that had the cojones to intimidate these people).

LotR fic in general frightens me. Rape fic doesn't scare me if it's handled well, and by that I mean where the act isn't glorified and romanticized. I see that WAY too often, ESPECIALLY in slash fic. And the worst part is, it's mostly women writing the damn stuff! We above all should know that rape is by no means romantic! I swear, fics like that make me want to vomit or throw something.

And thus ends my rant session for tonight :lol:
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