PAYMVs!

[outlawed]

Even if some tax system like this came to fruition we still have the problem that our primary audience is anime fans. Good luck making money off of them. The real anime industry is having enough problems with that =p

[Bauzi]

I think you legaly use the audio you can pay of the tax with some advertising. Like the system they have on the streaming site blip.tv.

Yeah adds! I mean... They don't need to take my audio or video down on YT. They just have to add some adds and a link to where I can buy the used materials and we are good. Stupid industry douchebags...

Ugh I should stop looking into this topic... It always pisses me off.

[mirkosp]

It was just a topic about a "what if" situation to make AMVs 100% legal... we always go over the "are they legal or not?" topic and always say they're grey area depending on the country, but we never actually covered a topic like this, afaik...
Was just trying some fresh discussion instead of going through another one of the trite topics...

[Enigma]

[CodeZTM]

Based on the conversation I had with my legal/ethicss professor and even my accounting professor today on the matter [read the thread prior to going to classes], I'd happily pay a fee in my taxes for it. Fact of the matter is, I feel less and less secure coming to this site with all the WMG and piratebay lawsuits the past year.

Our "creative outputs" are licesened property of other people. Personally, if my stuff was being distributed throughout the internet without my permission [I'm talking more about LIme/Frostwire and not AMV's at this point], I'd be pissed too. Because in a nutshell, AMV's are free music and free trailers for Anime.

So one could argue constantly that we're really just freelance marketers helping out the companies, but we're also promoting stealing liscensed material for our own uses. And while most people here help out the industry by supporting the companies and purchasing the anime they use and the CD's they use, they are a small minority in the dark hole that is the internet. >___>

The only problem with the tax is that it'd be a nightmare to regulate, and I'm sure the music industry would have NONE of it. xD

EDIT: I'd also be happy with ads.

[EvaFan]

We pay for what we use to create but we dont pay for what we create, it should stay that way. They can argue that we are making their stuff more easily attainable illegaly, and we are, but the person who muxed the song from your amv to use another way is the one doing something illegal IMO, make him pay instead of all of us.

As for the anime aspect, I think thats moot. It's really hard to get all you want to see from an anime through just amv's if not impossible. If anything they should make you more interested in buying them and they do alot for me, same with the music actually.

All so, if you let them tax you here for something you've created who's to say it stops here? Next we get taxed for drawing/painting things we don't own.

[Panky]

Given the fact that most of us (well, all of us) are doing it right now is because we believe that making such thing illegal lacks of sense. Well, if you keep editing and really think it's straight wrong in terms of legality, I don't know what is wrong with you. I don't think paying after this would make any sense either, right? If we were that commited to the fact of it being legal/illegal until now, we wouldn't have even started it.

If you were between jail and paying, anyone would pay if it's a reasonable amount, I can bet on that. Else, nothing would change. That's the way I see it.

[Bauzi]

And while most people here help out the industry by supporting the companies and purchasing the anime they use and the CD's they use, they are a small minority in the dark hole that is the internet. >___>

That's better than 0% of buyers of a hobby that never existed before.

We don't promote stealing media. Do amvs promote you to steal more? No they're not. You would steal the same without them or even more because than you don't hardly any use for super quality CD, DVD, Bluray footage or software at all. They bring you closer to the stuff that you really love and that you would consider to buy because you're a fan or want to use it in a video too.

It's everything up to the individual.

[CodeZTM]

I had a huge paragraph typed out, ready to come out and argue this, but I realized how pointless it is.

In short:
I'd pay the tax to make everything legal in a heartbeat. That's all I'm really trying to say, because this is a great hobby, and I'd hate to see anybody fall victim to the illegal nature of this hobby and suffer because of it. That and as a business major, I agree with it. They're not taxing us for our creative uses, they're taxing us for the materials we use. To make it simpler, it's like a bigger sales tax. >___>

[Bauzi]

Hey if it comes down to it and if I have to pay it, I surely would. Still I really can't agree on this tax. Addvertising the source should be enough. It's a fair game. A lot of people probably won't get attention for their work due to quality or popularity, but the big players will always pay up for them too.