AMV Editing: A dying hobby (?)

[Castor Troy]

Taite kinda nailed it for me.

I just got tired of being limited to editing someone else's shows and music.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

I just got tired of being limited to editing someone else's shows and music.

I guess it depends on how you look at it, the alternative is to shoot or draw or animate your own works... this is in essence a job and usually out of the scope of a simple hobby for many that you can do here and there when ever you feel like it. But then again if you become an editor, that pretty much what you do (edit other people works).

As for feedback, honestly the org is not the only place that is "DYING". this is a universal problem. I know I may get a lot of flank on saying this, but social media, texting and other factors have changed things and how people do feedback.. I know as I see the amount of "formal" feedback at cons diminishing and becoming more hidden. I've just been around long enough to see the change in the past 20 years...

Vlad

[Mr Pilkington]

I just got tired of being limited to editing someone else's shows and music.

And there is nothing wrong with that. I love that amving was gateway drug to discovering my hidden love for animation. I have since worked with all forms of media because this hobby set the foundation and allowed me to hone skills. I can't say my released work here has been evident of this, but my professional reel is full of evidence of such. I view AMVing today, as a relaxing hobby. Some people get far to competitive with it imho, but that's how they view the hobby, and that's okay too. The biggest issue is people are always seeking the "bigger and better," and it's really hard to go from nle work (simply cutting footage), to some of the really compositing, and still being able too see room for growth. I'd argue that there's MORE than enough software out there to make that feasible, but it's very very time consuming. So it's natural to want to go create Battle Geek Plus, or become someone like M Dot Strange. But that's a tough road, and one has to really take the time to stick with it, ignore the criticism, and strive. So in a way, AMVing isn't dying, its evolving. And with the advent of youtube as a stage, and the various types of media available, it's easy to want to strove for more. AMVing will always be here, but as a community I feel more people are just "passing through." Which is hard to understand as some of us know each other outside of the the forums and competitions. We just have to accept that more and more, people will use this as a stepping stone to the next level and never look back. It's not new. Without naming names plenty had done that, it's just far more common today.


AMVing isn't dying, it's just not sticking with people like it used to.

[Kyssifur]

And what if a completely new (or partially) scoring system would do the job? Or should I just stop dreaming?

[seasons]

AMV editing isn't "dying" but the audience has become so fractured that there's no longer any consensus on what's worth watching. I'm even going to complain that people don't even recognize what's "good editing" anymore because that's a whole other argument (maybe worth having, but not in this post).

This site did a pretty terrible job of staying relevant over the past 7 years. I'm not blaming a single person or anything like that. But the atmosphere here has always been extremely exclusive. I'm not even talking about the "tough love" approach that's generally taken here with beginning editors. Even for editors who take advantage of the resources here in order to improve, and even who try to acclimate themselves to the community here, assimilation is pretty much impossible. Unless you're friends with people here, no one will watch or comment on your videos. Not even if you're making a good faith effort to comment, leave opinions. participate in MEPs... if you weren't here in the mid 2000s then you're pretty much invisible and no one gives a shit that you're here.

Animemusicvideos.org is still a great resource (the AMVapp and the guides are still useful to anyone just getting started) but as far as a community goes it's just a social club for the same 40 or 50 people that it's always been. Most of the veterans here don't watch or even like anime anymore. It's all about contests and competition (now motivated to an extent beyond anything else in video, music, or any artform that I can think of) and no one will watch an AMV unless it's for a contest. Or unless one of their friends made it. Meanwhile, Youtube channels like √Bestamvsofalltime are re-writing the AMV canon (kudos for you if your video gets hosted on it, but have you seen some of the other shit that's listed alongside it?) while our top rated AMVs list looks exactly the same as it did 5 or 6 years ago because no one cares enough to take even 5 minutes to write an opinion for anyone.

I know we have this conversation on a regular basis in one thread or another... and I think that's a good thing because I think it's worth talking about. But I no longer know what to even say about it without just repeating the same mantras over and over again. I fell in love with this hobby ten years ago and this site played a HUGE part in that. And because of that, I can't help but feel invested in the future of this site and in the future of the hobby. But I feel like I'm the only one who's not content to just let it go on the course that it seems it's headed.

I'm working on a video now, might have it done before the end of the year (I work very, very slowly). I'll post it here but I no longer have any expectations that anyone will watch it or even comment if they do. So I'm not sure why I'm here anymore, I guess. Really sucks our hobby is dependent on interaction and sharing, but which has become about as social as building model ships in glass bottles alone in your basement. Because that's what it feels like.

[BasharOfTheAges]

Our ship has sailed. Because we didn't do certain things several years ago a lot of the newer batch of "big names" don't even feel any reason to interact here. They do their interaction elsewhere. Burnout happens, especially when you realize all our discussions devolve into beating the same pack of dead horses over and over again. Older vets stopped interacting as was the natural way of things, and nobody stepped up to take the reigns. It sucks, but we didn't train our replacements, and they wanted something different.

[l33tmeatwad]

Honestly, the org is not dead yet and there's always hope while there is life left. That said, it appears to be more work than anyone is willing to put into the org to revive it.

[AceD]

Meanwhile, Youtube channels like √Bestamvsofalltime are re-writing the AMV canon (kudos for you if your video gets hosted on it, but have you seen some of the other shit that's listed alongside it?)

The best edited video, won't necessarily be the most popular or most liked video. There are more things to consider than amazing editing alone. My audience is huge....most people on youtube are fans of anime and music before video editing you know? People enjoy certain things regardless of how good a video is technically.

Besides, maybe I just like the person who edited it and felt like it.

[blaksun]

As i see it one off the major problems is if you give a opinion you get no respond you dot get a thank you, this don't help , you get 0 how seal a nibw lean if you don't give fate back on the opinion ?

I personally disagree. More than a majority of my opinions/comments don't get replies, but it's not like I'm discouraged by it. It seems kind of childish to say that you don't want to give opinions anymore just because you don't get a thank you. I think the main reason people don't get opinions as often anymore is because people slowly stopped giving fucks and are too involved with their own/friends' agendas.

hmm you mist the point i woes trying to make, if the ppl that get O.P don´t care enoff to give a replay way shot any one care, that woes the point i woes try to say but, if you think i wont give a o.p if i don't get a tanks you just go on believing that

[Taite]

if you give a opinion you get no respond you dot get a thank you

if you think i wont give a o.p if i don't get a tanks you just go on believing that

More than a majority of my opinions/comments don't get replies, but it's not like I'm discouraged by it. you don't want to give opinions anymore just because you don't get a thank you

Umm... that's what you said? Haha. Either way I addressed both parts of what you said, no need to get so defensive, you missed the point of my post too which didn't have anything to do with attacking your opinion. "I personally disagree..."

And what if a completely new (or partially) scoring system would do the job? Or should I just stop dreaming?

I'm curious what you were thinking. Are you referring to the format of the opinion/stars? Haven't really thought about it myself and didn't know some people didn't like it, but since this is different than everything else in the thread and I've used it a lot more often now, I'm just curious.