Will the true editing Masters-to-be step up?

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:12 pm

OmniStrata wrote: I will not stand idly by and watch this happen.

Good luck with your crusade...

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:17 pm

*sigh*

well, I suppose I can understand why the old-timers would be frustrated with n00bs like that. I mean, realizing that the guides might be a bit of a long read, the least they could do is read the agreement when they were joining...

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:19 pm

Oh yeah, Hitori? Good post!!

I know what ALL of you are going to do... LOOK! 2JA IS USING DIGISUBS FOR HIS AMVS! SHOOT HIM NOW!!!

[hint hint, I've done DVD rips before and I BUY the freakin' DVDs DOMESTICALLY when finally released, I'm not an HK loser...]

I read the guides and learned how to clean the footage. Ok, this is not about me... Let's continue.

What are noobs doing? What are they doing that is hurting this community? Making DBZ vids? (uh uh, hell no, that's too specific, let's dive into something more solid and general) They are NOT learning. AMV editing is not only fun but it SHOULD be a learning experience. When you join this site, you HAVE to know how to read. There are threads which say, "How to make your first amv..." And threads RIGHT BELOW IT saying "How do I make an amv?"

I AVOIDED Linkin' Bark Z. Why? One, my opinion is an opinion, I'm not forcing it on anyone, I do NOT want people to think otherwise. I'm not here to flame anyone but...

I knew, that if I did, it'd be a mistake I'd INTENTIONALLY make. What? Linkin' Bark Z is a mistake?! "WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT'S A MISTAKE AND WHAT'S NOT?"

Alright, that's correct, I have no right to say Linkin' Bark Z is a mistake. However, what can we do to solve the problem that both veterans, and the "casual amv viewer" are seeing? "Making Linkin' Bark Z is a problem? Who The Fuck said you can say that?"

Ah, here we go... "AMVS ARE ALL MADE BY LOSERS WHO HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS?!" [being an editor myself, I'm not one to say that...] What are you going to say to THESE people? huh? I'm not one who enjoys making enemies but you pick and choose allies and enemies. These people are the ones who are using THIS SITE as a "proof" that amvs are "bad".

"But that's just their opinion Omni!" Hmm, well, I guess. But what does this mean?

Can someone answer me that question when MORE AND MORE people start seeing nothing but Linkin' Bark Z [which will occur, all you need to do is look at the stats]? All these amvs that are all ACTION oriented? Will that make the amv "original and creative"? "Oh look? It's another amv with Linkin' Bark and DBZ? I'm betting all amvs suck now!"

I have no idea how to combat this. "Do what you like even if it sucks!" Does that give YOU the right to cause all of what you to come under a bad light?

I no longer have anything new offer on this... DBZ is NOT the problem. LINKIN' BARK is not the problem. BUT it is the most prevalent amv here and it is causing me irritation when OTHERS say amvs are by losers.

If this is too ridculous and u just skipped to the bottom of this post, the question:

What can be done to prove that amvs are NOT just DBZ and Linkin' Bark?

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:23 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:
OmniStrata wrote: I will not stand idly by and watch this happen.

Good luck with your crusade...

Fine fine...

Thanks for wishing me luck on my totally impossible trek here and I hope you're not saying I'm an idiot elitist. (I'm not offending you calling you a moron cause that's just unprovoked and immature)

However, when ALL the amvs you see are action-packed fun filled 45 second cut scenes with Goku losing his clothing, umm...

/me thinks...

Oh, I have an idea... I THINK there's a way to create a GOOD Linkin' Park Dragon Ball Z video...

Do you think noobs will learn from their mistakes?

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:29 pm

Little can be done.

I don't think we should start another 'LBZ sucks' battle. As long as the band and the anime remain commonly and overwhelmingly popular, it will be actually logical for everyone and their grandma to think that it's a good combination.

In the end, as long as this remains a mainstream tendency, the few who are voicing their opinions against this will present nothing more than pointed sticks poking at the tide...

What you can do, however, is what you're doing already - something that you feel is important or right, be it contrary to common practice or not.

Just please, don't start an anti-LBZ battle again... we've had far too many of those.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:36 pm

Okay.

1. Wheras before, people now have a place to upload and share their "creative" projects.

before, they had to get a host and that sometimes meant knowing people or spending lots of money. this meant that about the only "serious" amv creators were in teh hobby.

it's relatively free now, and so, lots of people, even casual creators have an outlet for those freetime pet projects.

/end

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:40 pm

Let's disperse this, I'm the fool for IMPLYING Linkin' Bark Z sucks and for that I'm sorry.

My question: AGAIN: how many of you new people read the guides and are planning something big. How many of you LEARNED from the mistakes of others? That is the TRUE purpose of this thread...

(oh yeah, and if YOU say that you're GOING to make a GREAT Linkin' Bark Z amv, by all means, send me the link, I'll opinionate and hopefully, the opinion will help, oh yeah, I'd also like to hear MJ's opinion on same said vid since his ops are obviously more helpful than mine...

btw, I'm serious, he writes some of the best ops on the freakin' org!)

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:45 pm

I wouldn't say mistakes of others... but by seeing vids by some of the more expert guys, I've pretty well figured out what I would want to see in mine, and what I would not want to see in mine. For me - I realized that I like simple editing, and don't like too much flashy effects and other technical excesses.

I think what the n00bs would benefit from no less than the guides (before making their first AMV) would be watching as many videos based on the same anime/music as possible. Really, that would help the creative situation massively.

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:54 pm

Otohiko is now on my "must respect this person" list...

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=16673

To hell with arguing, how about leaving opinions for all the newcomers so that they WILL improve! guarunteed!!!

Still, I'd like to hear from more new people...

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:08 pm

I've stopped reviewing first time editors vids unless they go out of their way to request one from me, and have read a couple of the reviews I've given to other vids.

I've done a few reviews for first timers, and then got bitched at for being too hard on them: "Whaa! My A/V teacher praised me, the video has to be good! Please, look at it again!"

Many of them don't quite get that when they dump their video into the laps of the internet AMV community, they are going to be compared against people who have been doing AMV editting for years. I have seen "good videos" and I have seen "bad videos." I'm pretty certain I can tell the difference between the two; And unless they are will to compare and be compared, and try and learn things from the criticisms given them instead of always looking for praise, they aren't going to get anywhere.