Treat Opinions as Forum Threads

[trythil]

Now that we have a 'sort by update' option for reviews given, I don't see the need for this - from a 'opinionator' perspective. Those who want to know when they get a new review, or when a review is updated already get the notice on the member main page. Now, those who write reviews get an 'update' date as well. So they just have to watch the recent updates to the reviews they've given to know if the person replied again.

Thats stupid. Most posts here (including yours) are talking about the feasabillity of detecting if a review has been edited, and thus being able to respond (and then the reviewer being able to detect this response etc) - what you overlook is the system Beowulf proposes would feasably allow for a '4 or 5' post type discussion on the video, something that is currently practically impossible with the current system. This is because the current system is designed around the review-response 1-shot notion - trying to argue that it provides an appropriate means of back-and-forth discussion is ludicrous.

Actually, it is precisely the ability and the want to carry on an extended conversation that necessitates the development of an efficient change detection system. It's not overlooking the discussion aspect at all.

[Kalium]

As I said I think given the constraint of 'discussions in reviews staying on topic' - it would be pretty easy to implement a system where a mod could do a search for recent review 'threads' that have more than (say) 3 replies, and just check if they are on topic.

Of course even if this is more than I anticipate, theres always the option of promoting more mods. I mean animemusicvideos.org is hardly short on willing members to promote. Sure with more mods you'd need an extra Supermod or two to keep an eye on the mods, but I dont think thats a big problem.

You ask for more than you know. You see, this would be the equivalent of opening a whole new set of forums, and not even one easily browseable. This is why I'm concerned about the increased workload. As for recruiting more mods, well, let's just say that recuiting moderators is not something done lightly.

Oh, and technically speaking, the Org is a much larger hack than you seem to realize.

[jethropr]

I think it's a good idea... it will help "lesser" known edittor, like myself, to get their name out there.

[Kalium]

I think it's a good idea... it will help "lesser" known edittor, like myself, to get their name out there.

I have to say I don't follow your logic here. For that, there's AMV Announcements, contests, generically socializing hereabouts, etc., but I don't see how an expanded opinion system would promote lesser known editors.

[donone]

As I said I think given the constraint of 'discussions in reviews staying on topic' - it would be pretty easy to implement a system where a mod could do a search for recent review 'threads' that have more than (say) 3 replies, and just check if they are on topic.

Of course even if this is more than I anticipate, theres always the option of promoting more mods. I mean animemusicvideos.org is hardly short on willing members to promote. Sure with more mods you'd need an extra Supermod or two to keep an eye on the mods, but I dont think thats a big problem.

You ask for more than you know. You see, this would be the equivalent of opening a whole new set of forums, and not even one easily browseable. This is why I'm concerned about the increased workload. As for recruiting more mods, well, let's just say that recuiting moderators is not something done lightly.

Sure they wouldn't be easily browsable- what would be nessescery would be for them to be easily searchable, namley by # replys, to enable them to be moderated easily. You say moderators are not promoted lightly - well I think you'd find that given the fevor in which the org is held by its members, most prospective org moderators would be veribly chuffed at the prospect of being promoted- and would be too shitscared of losing their job to do anything but a good job. The job of moderating reviews however would no doubt be a much more serious and important job than moderating the forums, and as a consequence requiring members of greater responsibillity - I'd imagine most of the 'review moderators' would be drawn from the ranks of proven forum mods - and willing members would have to be recruited to fill their places on the forums.

In terms of it being equivilent to opening a new set of forums and it being difficult to implement a-m-v.org being a complicated hack - I don't know much about that and I'm sure if you do you're right - but I would have guessed it would be possible to expand the current system, the whole functionality of forums is not required - just the abillity to create multiple posts in the review system that is already there. But being an (ex) engineering student with some experience in programming I canreadily believe it could be more complicated and difficult that what is intuitive.

Still I believe the benefits are such that it certainly bears looking in to.

[godix]

I think an easier idea that would do basically the same thing is to include a Private Message button on the video opinion page. I know I personally have started leaving one line comments thanking people for ops (assuming I've reply at all, I need to catch up on that) just because I notice almost no one ever replies back so I assume they probably don't check to see if I replied. Being able to PM the person makes it more likely they'll actually see it and as an added bonus, it's a private one on one communication rather than the kinda sorta 'only people who left ops can read this' privacy we have currently.

[wolf_hunter]

This might not seem like much but the ramifications are astounding.

im sold on it

[Niotex]

I personaly think it would be nice id say do it!

[Kalium]

Sure they wouldn't be easily browsable- what would be nessescery would be for them to be easily searchable, namley by # replys, to enable them to be moderated easily. You say moderators are not promoted lightly - well I think you'd find that given the fevor in which the org is held by its members, most prospective org moderators would be veribly chuffed at the prospect of being promoted- and would be too shitscared of losing their job to do anything but a good job. The job of moderating reviews however would no doubt be a much more serious and important job than moderating the forums, and as a consequence requiring members of greater responsibillity - I'd imagine most of the 'review moderators' would be drawn from the ranks of proven forum mods - and willing members would have to be recruited to fill their places on the forums.

I can't go into details, but you're not entirely correct here.

In terms of it being equivilent to opening a new set of forums and it being difficult to implement a-m-v.org being a complicated hack - I don't know much about that and I'm sure if you do you're right - but I would have guessed it would be possible to expand the current system, the whole functionality of forums is not required - just the abillity to create multiple posts in the review system that is already there. But being an (ex) engineering student with some experience in programming I canreadily believe it could be more complicated and difficult that what is intuitive.

Still I believe the benefits are such that it certainly bears looking in to.

In terms of the Org codebase, there are quite a few other things I'd like to see done before any major feature overhauls. For one thing, getting the Super Search to where it can't crash Yuri would be nice. For another, there's a whole slew of security issues.

[Arigatomina]

Most of the reviewers who "reply to my reply" are people I already talk to on the forums. None of the strangers, not a one, do so. If we turn the review system into another forum, it'll be one more forum for those people to avoid.

If the forum regulars want a "review forum" they can have one - Op exchange, amv annoucements. You could even make a new forum for "Public Review Discussion" where a person can review and you can chat about it for days if you like.

Regulating that will just be another forum for the mods, you'll have all sorts of forum perks like bbcode (no one's asked for that for reviews, but it's only a matter of time). And you can bring in multiple view points for each review. If the idea here is to inspire more discussion about each review, then you might as well bring it up in the forum proper where everyone can contribute.

/those people who honestly go back and forth 4+ times in reviews can switch to email or PM - they're made for that sort of interraction. We do have things designed to allow extensive chat. I think there's a good reason to keep reviews as "one-time feedback and response" not forums. Most archives don't even allow you to respond to reviews of your work, so we already have a perk here.