is anyone else concerned about the RIAA's ... part 2

aoi_neko · Post by **aoi_neko** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:55 pm

I know, I know, it's "beating a dead horse" to point out that "copyright infringement" and "theft" have been legally separate since the invention of copyright. After all, any message board will have someone who says "it's the same thing" and we're supposed to just let it pass because everyone's tired of hearing the argument. But every time you do let it pass, it just helps strengthen the position of a greedy cartel against the average guy.

So far as infringing on the anime companies' copyrights, nonsense. Five minutes of video out of a 6 hour series falls clearly under the fair use doctrine. It's part of the deal that society made when we granted the copyright holders a limited "right" which they lacked for the first several thousand years of human history. No one worries about the anime companies because they're afraid the law is one their side. The worry is because when an individual or informal group is up against a corporation with deep pockets full of money, the individual is likely to be crushed regardless of the law being on their side.

So far as the music goes, legally, it's debatable. a-m-v.org is not in the same position as a person torrenting albums. A court could rule that it or it isn't fair use. It will never get to court, though, because again, Phade is going to be too smart to fight in a rigged game which will cost the RIAA nothing, win or lose, and could bankrupt him, even if was to somehow win. But legally debatable or not, I think it's morally quite defensible, since I really cannot believe that people are losing album sales because of the availability of AMVs.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:22 pm

I also feel it necessary to point out that many of the people posting here don't have a clue what the RIAA is up to. They don't CARE if amvs cause people to become interested in new artists, or buy more music, or whatever. They DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. The RIAA wants to have a very small number of popular artists, and forcefeed them down everyone's throat. They also wan't to OWN as many other artists as possible, in order to prevent them from gaining too much traction and taking the fanfare away from their main artists. The majority of their money comes from their TIGHT CONTROL over the industry. They DON'T WANT people to discover new music. Any type of distribution that they do not control is their biggest threat. Even if the site would charge $5 for every amv that gets downloaded, and send all of this money straight to the RIAA (not the artists), they would STILL not want the site to be here because they don't have control. All arguments about piracy and lost profits and stealing and stuff is just bullshit designed to hide the real issue here.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:28 pm

I'm NOT STEALING! PERIOD! Thanks to the community of fan made gmvs, amvs, I buy a lot more than I would of with out it. Go ahead, take it away, and that's the end of my spending splurges. In all honesty I never bought music before I got into AMVs, now I've spent quite a bit on it, as well as anime. Call us stealing, but some of us because of AMVs are some of the biggest spenders on anime and music.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:30 pm

Zarx: we know that, but that doesnt change things legally.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:42 pm

Like I said before, I'm not going to pay for advertisement. Why do people keep talking about paying for them, that concept is stupid.

DeinReich · Post by **DeinReich** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:54 pm

x_rex30 wrote:I'm NOT STEALING! PERIOD! Thanks to the community of fan made gmvs, amvs, I buy a lot more than I would of with out it. Go ahead, take it away, and that's the end of my spending splurges. In all honesty I never bought music before I got into AMVs, now I've spent quite a bit on it, as well as anime. Call us stealing, but some of us because of AMVs are some of the biggest spenders on anime and music.

Amen.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:54 pm

One of us needs to get a job in the RIAA and give us the real inside scoop... then sabatoge it from the inside..

khyron · Post by **khyron** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:59 pm

Dannywilson wrote: So, as you can see, we're using something for which someone is entitled to payment, without paying for it.

Stealing.

Excellent quotation, would you consider following it up with a proper legal definition of "fair use" as well? Particularly of interest would be how "fair use" was defined before 1997 compared to the rights which were removed by the DMCA when it passed under Clinton...

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:03 pm

OK, so apparantly it's a hoax.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:05 pm

Kalium wrote:OK, so apparantly it's a hoax.