2007 VCAs Begin!

MorwenLaicoriel · Post by **MorwenLaicoriel** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:58 pm

ick. x.x That kind of sucks...oh well. Her (his?) fault I suppose.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:39 pm

That does suck.

I likewise was disqualified because I didn't interpret the "Yes" on "ambiguous music sources" as I should have and left it alone, only to realize my mistake tomorrow. I was starting to bitch about the instructions not being clear enough - though I suppose it is my fault.

Though it does irk me that while the audio data base is a bit of a mess and people get away with gross inaccuracies and fakes, while I get thrown out for a source on my MEP that really was "unknown" as stated

Ah well.

Ileia · Post by **Ileia** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:41 pm

So many good editors getting disqualified....

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:43 pm

As i posted on the MEP suggestion thread... it'll put a sour note on the winners in the categories where the obvious front runners weren't even there.

Kitsuner · Post by **Kitsuner** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:08 pm

Tradition is tradition...

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:08 am

Otohiko wrote:Though it does irk me that while the audio data base is a bit of a mess and people get away with gross inaccuracies and fakes, while I get thrown out for a source on my MEP that really was "unknown" as stated

If you have a good proposal for cleaning up right about fifty thousand audio entries, let us know...

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:12 pm

Kalium wrote:
Otohiko wrote:Though it does irk me that while the audio data base is a bit of a mess and people get away with gross inaccuracies and fakes, while I get thrown out for a source on my MEP that really was "unknown" as stated
If you have a good proposal for cleaning up right about fifty thousand audio entries, let us know...

Oh, I'm not picking at the database, I totally sympathise. I'm not sure if the "no unknown/various" rule is neccesarily productive given the situation with it, that's all. But eh, if it must be... I didn't have anything this year that'd get reasonably nominated, so whatever

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:42 am

Kalium wrote:
Otohiko wrote:Though it does irk me that while the audio data base is a bit of a mess and people get away with gross inaccuracies and fakes, while I get thrown out for a source on my MEP that really was "unknown" as stated :(
If you have a good proposal for cleaning up right about fifty thousand audio entries, let us know...

How about this:

Replicate a constantly maintained music database -- the MusicBrainz replicator service may work best, because it is large and has an active community augmenting it and ensuring its correctness.

Flag any pairs of (artist, title) in the .org music database that aren't found in the database replicated from MusicBrainz as suspect. Mark all videos of creators with any videos containing such suspect music entries as ineligible for the VCAs: there still seem to be quite a few people who care about it, so it should serve as incentive for getting things fixed up.

In the case where the .org audio database contains a legitimate entry that is not found in the MusicBrainz database, get it resolved with MusicBrainz *first*. The member with the troublesome entry can do this.

If that doesn't work and the legitimacy is still unchallenged, a table for augmenting and/or overriding MusicBrainz data can be maintained. With the above procedure, it should be significantly smaller and easier to manage than the gargantuan mass of stuff that currently exists.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:10 am

I knew you would have one, trythil.

godix · Post by **godix** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:55 pm

trythil wrote:Replicate a constantly maintained music database -- the MusicBrainz replicator service may work best, because it is large and has an active community augmenting it and ensuring its correctness.
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In the case where the .org audio database contains a legitimate entry that is not found in the MusicBrainz database, get it resolved with MusicBrainz *first*. The member with the troublesome entry can do this.

If that doesn't work and the legitimacy is still unchallenged, a table for augmenting and/or overriding MusicBrainz data can be maintained. With the above procedure, it should be significantly smaller and easier to manage than the gargantuan mass of stuff that currently exists.

We've talked about this before and I still think there's enough odd audio that wouldn't work well. It'd be a good idea for most stuff but for unusual audio the answer shouldn't be 'take it up with this other site totally unrelated to the org at all THEN talk to us if that doesn't work out'. Refer to a database is fine, it would work for the vast majority of stuff, but if it doesn't list the audio the first and only step after that should be confirmation with the admins like we currently do with anime. Which considering how much more possible audio sources there are than animes produced brings to mind the question of who's volunteering to take care of this day after day?

Personally I think that if someone wants to clean up the database but doesn't want to make a huge job for themselves in the future the easiest method would be to link common misspelling like animes are linked, revamp the audio entry system so it doesn't take an hour to enter in a multi-audio video (this is the only reason I personally have a totally bullshit audio entry in my profile), and call it done. It's not perfect but it'd catch the linkin park misspelling crap without the permanent need for a volunteer approving unusual audio sources.

An example of the type of audio I'm talking about here. From my own profile I have a video with the 'badger badger badger' web thingy audio. It's not on musicbrainz and I doubt it ever will be. Ditto with Strongbad audio or other web memes like that. Remixes can often be the same situation, they may have web only distribution but not be in a database and are unlikely to ever be in it.

Another example, I'm currently doing a video to Morning Musume's song 'Love Peace Hero ga Yattekita'. This song is probably listed on musicbrainz but damned if I can find it. An artist search for 'morning musume' brings up four pages of results, most in Kanji, so even finding the right group is rather questionable. At least with romanized words I could pattern match even though I don't know what the title actually means. But Kanji? Shit, I'm an american. I'm lucky enough if I can figure out English much less that foreign pictanary stuff. The right selection could be staring me in the face in kanji and I still wouldn't be able to recognize it. Considering that japanese audio is used a fair amount I doubt I'd be the only one having this issue.

A third example, if someone takes <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 7275">this guy's offer</a> then the audio wouldn't be in any database. It's a custom made audio track that's never been on a CD. Without even looking you know that won't be in musicbrainz.